IMSA USCC in 2016 and 2017

[Lagunaseca_4life]

Shank won't go to wec,and I'm sure pew has more invested in the ligier than shank.at least that's the vibe I got talking to the mechanics at laguna.

By the way that ligier is gorgeous in those colors and the car itself,I really wish esm would of been there too.i couldn't help but think all weekend how fast would it be if it had Dp ecoboost/chevy power.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

I'm just trying to imagine what a bently dp would look like,the corvette body works and fits the dp profile dang near perfect,but I can't imagine what a bently body would look like if they used continental styling cues......

Probably like that with some larger headlights.

[Lagunaseca_4life]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

Bentley's actually raced in more races they say they're going to than Aston Martin has so you may want to adjust your thinking...

Yea I guess,also gotta think about bentley's parent company and all the motorsports activity as of late.

[Lagunaseca_4life]

Originally Posted by Matt

Probably like that with some larger headlights.

Hmmm never seen that one before,the shape of that nose isn't to far off the Riley's profile.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by Matt

Probably like that with some larger headlights.

Hideous.

[Damian Baldi]

P1 would be welcome instead DPs or domestic P2.

[HORNDAWG]

The 'future DP' will be based on the 4 cf chassis that will be the base of ALL P-2/P cars. In TUSC they will be allowed to be branded by a Mfg by specific body work and engines, but the underpinnings will be a cf P-2 tub/chassis.











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[Bob Baldwin]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Head of Bentley motorsports was just on with Hindy on the N24 broadcast.

He says there is no intent by the organizers to drop the DP, and there is a desire to re-open the chassis constructors.

Has NASCAR just been outed as complete liars? Oh boy. This is gonna get interesting.

Well for sure Somebodys Wishful Thinking is rather confusing .the part of others website / Forums that get confusing is this Reporting ? OR PR Fluff ?
Liars are a pretty powerful word ! Though when you mix it in with : Subject To , With the Approval of XYZ Org , Or the all encompassing our Fans and Competitors have told us

Face the facts in North America there is ONLY one game in town you either play Nice or Go Home . Bottom line we will end up with what They Perceive is " Best For Business "
Don't like it take your team and run ELMS or WEC

[Lagunaseca_4life]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

The 'future DP' will be based on the 4 cf chassis that will be the base of ALL P-2/P cars. In TUSC they will be allowed to be branded by a Mfg by specific body work and engines, but the underpinnings will be a cf P-2 tub/chassis.





L.P.

The base of this discussion is that the head from Bentley motorsport is saying he has been in the Imsa discussions.and it is looking like Imsa is going to Continue DP's as is along with the new Aco p2s.

[MitchZ06]

He said revised DP regs, not current.

[Lagunaseca_4life]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

He said revised DP regs, not current.

Must of missed that,I hope that means improved safety cells,like the dtm/S-gt carbon tub they mentioned a few months ago.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Hideous.

I never said it wasn't.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

He said revised DP regs, not current.

No. He didn't. He want's to re-open the current chassis constructor limit. Built to current specs. Hindy even clarified it.

[Matt]

If the manufactures want DP's, let them.

[TheMightyM]

Originally Posted by Damian Baldi

P1 would be welcome instead DPs or domestic P2.

It would be, but that’s not realistic. You might attract some of the P1 teams to Daytona and Sebring, but beyond that, in the WEC era, it’s just not going to happen. Running even a single factory P1 car in an entire TUSC season (plus maybe a second car for the big two races) is just too expense (probably somewhere in the $40 million to $75 million range a year) for the return it generates.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

The base of this discussion is that the head from Bentley motorsport is saying he has been in the Imsa discussions.and it is looking like Imsa is going to Continue DP's as is along with the new Aco p2s.

You mean there is an obscure (not even sure If or When they would join) wish from Bentley that the current 'DP' rules be carried on and that they be granted a NEW mfg spot in the DP constructors group. Sorry that is by far not anywhere near any type of certainty at all!
Carry on the 'DP' does not mean there is ANY plans to continue with complete tube frame chassis in the 2017 rule set.




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[Bob Baldwin]

Originally Posted by TheMightyM

It would be, but that’s not realistic. You might attract some of the P1 teams to Daytona and Sebring, but beyond that, in the WEC era, it’s just not going to happen. Running even a single factory P1 car in an entire TUSC season (plus maybe a second car for the big two races) is just too expense (probably somewhere in the $40 million to $75 million range a year) for the return it generates.

just Curious How you came up with the 40-75 Million $$$ figure

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

You mean there is an obscure (not even sure If or When they would join) wish from Bentley that the current 'DP' rules be carried on and that they be granted a NEW mfg spot in the DP constructors group. Sorry that is by far not anywhere near any type of certainty at all!
Carry on the 'DP' does not mean there is ANY plans to continue with complete tube frame chassis in the 2017 rule set.




L.P.

Outside of the fact that he said , the way he understands it, is that the DP will carry on.

Why would you say "carry on" unless you meant continue as is?

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Outside of the fact that he said , the way he understands it, is that the DP will carry on.

Why would you say "carry on" unless you meant continue as is?

In that TUSC would have its own version of a P-2 that is in their Flagship class and is referred to as Daytona Prototype, for the same reason that the ACO's version is referred to as a Le Mans Prototype. Which has seen MANY itterations of said LMP!





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[Ephaeton]

HORNDAWG, spot on: in the light of diverging P2 implementations, calling the future US-P2 version (branded bodywork, multiple engines, pro drivers) of the LMP a "DP" makes a lot of sense to me. Now if we only knew that the IMSA (or, in this case, the bentley) guys are using the term with the same intent...

[Lagunaseca_4life]

Originally Posted by Ephaeton

HORNDAWG, spot on: in the light of diverging P2 implementations, calling the future US-P2 version (branded bodywork, multiple engines, pro drivers) of the LMP a "DP" makes a lot of sense to me. Now if we only knew that the IMSA (or, in this case, the bentley) guys are using the term with the same intent...

I dont think so,because he says Dp's will carry on along with the P2s,why would he say Dp and P2s seperately instead of the new p2 regulations or something along those lines.

It’s not decided yet on what will come in Daytona. My personal reading of the subject is that Daytona Prototypes will not die out. They will exist alongside the P2 class

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

I dont think so,because he says Dp's will carry on along with the P2s,why would he say Dp and P2s seperately instead of the new p2 regulations or something along those lines.

And yet as a qualifier to the his statement that you quoted was this "Durheimer confirmed Bentley attended the recent LMP2 manufacturers meeting at Daytona, and despite new LMP2-based regulations set to launch in 2017, he admitted a Daytona Prototype-based car appeals the most to the brand."







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[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

In that TUSC would have its own version of a P-2 that is in their Flagship class and is referred to as Daytona Prototype, for the same reason that the ACO's version is referred to as a Le Mans Prototype. Which has seen MANY itterations of said LMP!





L.P.

Their flagship class is not known as DP. It's known as Protoype. I seriously don't care to argue semantics.

The point that needs to be understood here, is that Bentley, understand that the current DP car will live on past 2017.

Not a new chassis, not a renamed class. But, the DP as we know it will live on past 2017.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Their flagship class is not known as DP. It's known as Protoype. I seriously don't care to argue semantics.

The point that needs to be understood here, is that Bentley, understand that the current DP car will live on past 2017.

Not a new chassis, not a renamed class. But, the DP as we know it will live on past 2017.

There MAY be some grandfathering of currently (already built) DP cars. New cars from 2017 on will be built on the 4 cf chassis as agreed upon by the ACO and IMSA.





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[TheMightyM]

Originally Posted by Bob Baldwin

just Curious How you came up with the 40-75 Million $$$ figure

It's a guesstimate. The $200 million figure has been mentioned as what most of the factory P1 programs are spending on development and run two cars for an eight race/66 hour series plus a third car for two race/30 hours. In some cases, teams may be spending more.

We don't really know how that breaks down between fixed (overhead and development costs) and variable (operating) costs, but let's say it’s half and half. TUSC is as long as the WEC, so the running (variable) costs should be about the same per car per year. So maybe $50 million a year, maybe a little less, maybe a little more. Hard to imagine the cost for a one-car operation for all that involves being much less than $40 million, even if think the assumption on the operating cost percentage is too high.