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3 Mar 2016, 13:18 (Ref:3619533)
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What Fire Extinguisher for Club Classic/Historic?
As far as I can see, please correct me if wrong, but for the above the 2016 MSA Blue Book only allows two kinds of foam, Zero 2000 and AFFF, no mention of gas, eg. Zero 360, which seems to be FIA but not MSA approved?
So looks like I will most likely get a Lifeline Fire Extinguisher 4 Litre Aluminium Mechanical 102-400-002. Its a GRP car and will be wearing 3 layers of Nomex and underwear. Any thoughts welcome. |
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3 Mar 2016, 13:47 (Ref:3619540)
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Think the 360 is approved, but there is some confusion when looking at different size bottles.
Personally I would make a very brief call to lifeline and ask....... 
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3 Mar 2016, 19:08 (Ref:3619605)
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none of them do anything useful so just buy the cheapest you can get away with and learn how to get out quick!
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3 Mar 2016, 19:45 (Ref:3619621)
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I think Zero 2000 like anything else that's not Halon is pretty much useless, even more so in a GRP car, they just buy you a few extra seconds to get out. If your car is on fire try and park by a fire marshals post.
The last one I bought was a replacement steel 4lt Zero 2000 which came out at just over £100 and that included the new type mount, I did of course have all the pipes etc. already. |
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3 Mar 2016, 20:01 (Ref:3619634)
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3 Mar 2016, 20:55 (Ref:3619661)
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I used to work for Fireater Systems (remember them?). Halon 1301 (BTM) and Halon 1211 (BCF) were infinitely better than any of the current onboard systems at protecting a driver from a fire. We used to do some very impressive demonstrations where a very small BTM extinguisher would put out a huge petrol fire. I haven't got the photos unfortunately but once the extinguisher was activated, there was a big tray of petrol, a gap of maybe 10 feet above it and then a flame with nothing to feed it.
...mind you, it was the Seventies. Now we've got to make do with washing up liquid. I've just remembered an incident from that era. Tom Walkinshaw was driving the "Thursdays" F5000 March in about 1975. It had a BTM extinguisher system with a nozzle on the dashboard directed downwards. After a minor shunt, a marshal set off the extinguisher. The result was TW jumping out of the car in agony, clutching his Gentleman's Area which was covered with a massive patch of ice. ...still more effective than any of the eco-friendly ones though |
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3 Mar 2016, 21:42 (Ref:3619682)
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3 Mar 2016, 22:11 (Ref:3619684)
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the new Zero 360 is gas so should be nearer Halon than foam in performance.
Pete, ring the MSA and find out it's UK approval status, it may be imminent? |
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4 Mar 2016, 01:23 (Ref:3619734)
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4 Mar 2016, 01:30 (Ref:3619738)
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4 Mar 2016, 15:12 (Ref:3619924)
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An update
Have made some phone calls and FIA approved inert gas systems should be acceptable to any race series that uses MSA technical safety regulations. Being the governing body of the MSA anything with FIA homologation is by default acceptable.
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4 Mar 2016, 17:29 (Ref:3619956)
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As a fireman by trade.....
AFFF is a waste of time if you don't A; have enough, and B; have a petroleum based fire. Buy the Zero 2000 |
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