Brabham BT28-29-30-35-36 - Page 19

Steve Wilkinson · 5 Jan 2005, 10:51 (Ref:1193509)

TED - I'll have a gander in my slide collection to see if I have a rear-end shot of said Brabham BT??

I'll post details of what I have got and if they would help I'll get them digitised and posted.

I'll also be getting some others ready to post so if you have any other problem BTs let me know.

allenbrown · 13 Jan 2005, 18:11 (Ref:1200060)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan Miller

BT36-1 , Rondel Racing / Schenken all of 1971.
For sale large adv. by Rondel end of 1971 , all three cars.

A/S 24-2-1972 , reports all three of Rondels Brabham BT36 cars have now been sold.
Tim Schenken's car to Bob Howlings.
Car seems to have been hired to Tate of Leeds for G. Hill for early 1972 F2 rounds , untill Hills BT38 is delivered.
For sale Tate of Leeds 27-4-1972 p.65.

Re. the 3 Rondel cars , Chris Townsend has seperate reports , one stating a car with Fred Opert in the U.S.A is ex. Rondel BT36 , and a seperate adv. Athur Moore in an ex. Rondel car..
BT36-1 now with Andrew Fellowes in Australia.

Did we get any further with this car? I've got a story of an ex-Hill Brabham in the US being used as the basis of the Osprey Can-Am car in 1977/78. Could this be the car reported above as being ex-Rondel and with Opert? The story I have is that it was with someone in Chicago before becoming the Osprey.

If not BT36/1 then maybe BT36/2? Or maybe BT36/1.5?

Allen

Andrew Fellowes · 13 Jan 2005, 20:51 (Ref:1200226)

Allen 36-1 & 2 are in my garage,
No.2 was found by Leif Norberg in 88 in Manila, all there except engine. The gearbox he had to dig up out of the mud but its restored and back in the car. The steering column is as per the mods done for Hill shorter, and set under the front anti-roll bar. I think the dash is 100% as it was in 71. A very original bit of kit.
the 3rd car No.9 I will p m you about later today.
Regards Andrew

Andrew Fellowes · 13 Jan 2005, 21:08 (Ref:1200244)

oh & Fred Opert says he didn't have a BT36. Charlie Lucas rang him for me as 'Freddy' used to be the Titan importer.

Chris Townsend · 14 Jan 2005, 16:56 (Ref:1200997)

Andrew

Please can you check your PMs!

Chris

benjabulle · 16 Jan 2005, 16:17 (Ref:1202290)

Hello, Brabham owners, I added hires pics of a BT28 here : http://www.gurneyflap.com/historic.html
Unfortunately I didn't take pictures of the chassis number, all I can say is that they were taken in Dijon (France) last year.

Andrew Fellowes · 16 Jan 2005, 21:07 (Ref:1202514)

benjabulle, thank you. Hart 416? rear oil cooler, but I like the padded seat! I wonder what the wires are to the front hub?

Chris, done -just waiting a reply and will get back to you.
Andrew

Bryan Miller · 19 Feb 2005, 08:30 (Ref:1229989)

BT35-5 .

For sale at www.carclassic.com

Stated to never have been entered in a race , two owners from new and only used by two French drivers for private use.
I have the name of Jean Louis La Fosse against this car in my notes.

Still fitted with Novamotor MAE 1000cc.

Bryan.

David McKinney · 19 Feb 2005, 08:53 (Ref:1229999)

BT35-5 was offered for sale at the 2004 Bonhams Monaco auction by.."a private French collector...who has owned it for 18 years. The car has been used for track-days and local hillclimbs"
Assuming it's the same car - and photos suggest it is - it seems carclassic.com have ignored whatever pre-1986 history it might have had

Chris Townsend · 19 Feb 2005, 10:21 (Ref:1230036)

Autosport in early 71 F3 reports gave the following chassis nos for BT35s
1: Brendan McInerney, used later in season by Jorge Pinhol and then a rent-a-car by MRE in 1972
2: Colin Vandervell
3: Jean-Louis Lafosse, this car offered for sale but not sold at Brooks Goodwood, 1999
4: Chris O'Brien, retained 1972 until BT38 delivered
5: Bernard Lagier [team mate to Lafosse] to Jannick Auxmery in French F3 1972.

So history completely ignored, as usual...

David McKinney · 19 Feb 2005, 12:37 (Ref:1230106)

Like Bryan, I have 35-5 as Lafosse's number
The 1999 Goodwood catalogue entry for BT35-3 does not mention Lafosse as the original owner (or anyone else for that matter). This car was deep purple and gold at the time of the sale; the 2004 Monaco and 2005 carclassic.com one is red
No-one seems to claim that either of these cars was raced in period....

Steve Wilkinson · 19 Feb 2005, 15:31 (Ref:1230182)

14/03/71 Mallory Park Lombank F3 Race:
Brendan McInerney raced his BT35 (White) whilst the following BT35s were NON-STARTERS:- Colin Vandervell (White/Green/Red) ; Chris O'Brien (Blue/Orange).

03/04/71 Brands Hatch Shell Super Oil British F3 Championship Race:
Once again McInerney was in his White BT35 Qualified on 2nd row and finished 6th; Vandervell practiced but crashed and did not race; O'Brien qualified on the fifth row; Jean-Louis Lafosse qualified on the 4th row; whilst Bernard Lagier was the slowest qualifier. NON-STARTERS were Jonas Qvarstrom; Ulf Svensson; Ingvar Petterson; Randy Lewis; Pierre-Francois Rousellot; and Alan McCully.

08/05/71 Silverstone GKN Forgings Trophy Race:
Again there were McInerney, O'Brien and Vandervell entered, they all qualified but didn't feature in the results.

22/05/71 Monaco F3 Grand Prix
The following BT35s were entered:
Dietmar Floer; Jean-Louis Lafosse; Pierre-Francois Rousselot; Brendan McInerney; Jonas Qvarnstrom; Colin Vandervell; and Ulf Svensson.

10/07/71 Croft Rothmans International F3 Race
The following BT35s were entered:
Conny Andersson; Ulf Svensson; Jan Persson (DNS); Jorge Pinhol (DNS); Ingvar Pettersson; Chris O'Brien; Jorgen Jonsson (DNS); Jonas Qvarnstrom (DNS); Lothar Schorg. Schorg was in a BMW Shnitzer powered Vienna Race Management entered version.

16/07/71 Silverstone Shell Super Oil Championship F3 Race
Pinhol; Lagier (DNS) Lafosse; Pettersson; Jonsson; O'Brien; Schorg; Randy Lewis; Persson; Svensson; Palm; Rousselot; Vandervell; and Peter Hull were all entered in BT35s.

21/08/71 Oulton Park Shell Super Oil Championship F3 Race
In BT35s were:

Jorge Pinhol (DNS); Colin Vandervell (4th); Jean-Louis Lafosse; and Pierre-Francois Rousselot.

All of the above taken from the programmes plus the annotated contemporary notes.

Bryan Miller · 28 Jul 2005, 09:36 (Ref:1365369)

Shock and horror I have to delve all the way back to page 8 to retrieve this thread, can't have it die from lack of use.

Over on the other place , it appears as though one of the A.C.A. BT30's has surfaced in the museum , it will either be BT30-18 or BT30-19 , looks very original with correct rear wing and long tail engine cover.

Bryan.

Andrew Fellowes · 28 Jul 2005, 21:00 (Ref:1366033)

Just had word that the other one is alive & well too, but I'll leave that to James to post.

Bryan its so good to see that these cars have both survived.

Now for the missing BT36's.........

Doug Hart · 31 Jul 2005, 18:12 (Ref:1368391)

It is great to see such a load of knowledge re brabhams.. I helped out Rob Turnbull with his BT35 BDA on hillclimbs when I was young, we came 10th in a 1600cc car .. no idea what chassis number that was ..

Anyway I make wheels, split rim type, to fit Brabhams (march and Lola also) What I wanted to know is the offsets .. does anybody know the correct offsets for early brabhams ? They are perfect for all cars up to BT 38 when the look changed .. We sell a lot of these but I am always being asked re the correct offset.. if somebody knows this or where I can go,.. great .. Lola would be useful too ..

thanks

Doug

Bryan Miller · 31 Jul 2005, 22:44 (Ref:1368598)

Doug,
I own BT35-8 , I have 9's and 13's for wets and 10's and 14's for dry and will measure from the back mounting face to a straight edge across the rear of the rim.
Not all of mine are genuine Brabham , neither are a lot of other peoples except they do not realise it.
Some of mine are Palliser , nearly identical , unless you know how to spot the difference.
Are you o.k. for March measurements as I also have a 74B , but only front 10's , my two sets of rears are period Dymags , 15's.
Also have 5 x Melmags 2 x fr. 3 x r. 10's and 14's.
can measure all if required.
Bryan.

allenbrown · 2 Aug 2005, 18:15 (Ref:1370354)

Here's a curious thing. Second round of the 1975 Aussie Gold Star and I spy Denis Lupton on the entry list with a blue 1600cc Brabham BT28. Anyone know which car this was?

Allen

David McKinney · 2 Aug 2005, 18:28 (Ref:1370373)

Misprint for his BT23?
Did he own it at that time?

allenbrown · 2 Aug 2005, 18:37 (Ref:1370389)

BT23/5? According to an earlier post, Denis didn't have his BT23 until 1981. He also owned BT30/27 at one time and the timing would be better for that one but BT30 -> BT28 is quite a misprint.

Allen

David McKinney · 2 Aug 2005, 20:25 (Ref:1370490)

OK
Thought it was worth a try...

Andrew Fellowes · 2 Aug 2005, 21:02 (Ref:1370533)

I had a long chat with Denis the other day and he has extensive Brabham records. Looks like he might be racing again too.
He has been trying to cross reference the AM numbers, I must go and see him but he is 2,000 kms away from me!

Bryan is this BT28-20 that Allen mentions?

allenbrown · 2 Aug 2005, 21:10 (Ref:1370543)

I did correspond with Denis in the 1980s and his records were very impressive. I'm glad to hear that he still has everything and is still involved.

Allen

Bryan Miller · 2 Aug 2005, 23:30 (Ref:1370653)

Allen/ Andrew.

The car you are discussing is BT28-20 , from our research by 1970 with Dick Barker , then for sale with Bob Howlings Autosport 17-12-1970 chassis no. given , then to Alan Joy, Autosport 25-3-1971 , page 35 , then for sale 3-2-1972 page 53 Autosport by Elton's Motors .
Accrding to F1R ran at Mallory PK. March 1972 European F2 round against my BT35 , fitted with a BDA.
Untill that time had been a 1 litre F3 .
For sale again Autosport 11-1-1973 , page 50 , listed as ex , Stow /Barker/Joy/Wadham-Smith , sale this time also by Elton's Motors.
I think purchased very soon after and came to Australia .
Was used by Denis in contemporary racing , untill later .
Denis fitted at some point an FVA and later applied for but was declined historic status as he was unable to proove that the car had run as such in period .
Believed still in this spec.

Bryan.

allenbrown · 3 Aug 2005, 00:26 (Ref:1370671)

Thanks Bryan

Ted Walker · 3 Aug 2005, 07:20 (Ref:1370783)

I think that Barker entered BT29-20 for the 72 F2 Mallory.Spencer had the BT28 for sale at the same time.The 29 coming from Peter Bloor as a cancelled order from Steve Matchett who went down the March route for 72.