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Old 21 Feb 2013, 11:37 (Ref:3208488)   #201
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The 'never beaten by Toyota' bit is almost true- apart from Win Percy's one-off swansong class win for the Hughes Corolla at the beginning of '83 before the Celica Supra came on stream, the Datapost RSi's were never beaten by Toyota in the BTCC.
Datapost were beaten from time to time by other RS1600i's, (particularly the Hodgetts/Brooklyn or Richard Belcher/John Jeffreys cars) or the Minshaw & Greenhalgh Golfs, but Toyota didn't have much joy after Percy's 1982 championship until Hodgetts got his hands on a Corolla for '86, by which time Longman and Curnow had both stepped up to the RS Turbo
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Old 21 Feb 2013, 19:08 (Ref:3208706)   #203
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ok the case Kavan! you beat me to it... as usual you are 100% correct....
fantastic find, bit more history for the car...

when are you coming down to see these car? (please PM me or email)



this actual car was not conseved untill Feb 83 and Richard built it mid seasion
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Old 24 Feb 2013, 21:21 (Ref:3210161)   #204
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Looking forward to seeing any of the cars out on track this year, I do hope you decide to register them for JDC or something, where they would fit nicely.
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Looking forward to seeing any of the cars out on track this year, I do hope you decide to register them for JDC or something, where they would fit nicely.
desperatly want to have one of them go up the hill at the FOS... this year Chris Hodgetts is running a Toyota, so for him to run the Brooklyn car would be very easy.. Just need an invite! been a member of the GRRC for 2 years now.. they know I am the current keeper of both DP cars and Chris's 16i.. + I now have a race licence, so its a case of 'got the gear' (but no idear
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Old 25 Feb 2013, 11:19 (Ref:3210389)   #206
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desperatly want to have one of them go up the hill at the FOS... this year Chris Hodgetts is running a Toyota, so for him to run the Brooklyn car would be very easy.. Just need an invite! been a member of the GRRC for 2 years now.. they know I am the current keeper of both DP cars and Chris's 16i.. + I now have a race licence, so its a case of 'got the gear' (but no idear
That would be lovely I hope you can do that (even if I wouldn't actually see it live at the event!)! I think there's an outside chance that Chris might be looking to find a Toyota for classic Group A activity as well?

As you have a licence it would be rude not to 'race' as well then?
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Yes Chris has been looking for years for his BTCC car from 86/87, but alas still nothing, I was on a trail when I was in NZ... as both car did go there, but after 1990 they seem to have dissapeared. Having a licence doesnt make me a racer.. but have to say sitting on the grid waiting for the lights to go out, is appealing. but I think the fear factor and cost would put me off.. I realy need another racer to restore and find history.. Just love doing all of that.. Currently doing the ground work for a new workshop, big enough to put the 3 racers together as a display together with their history and enough room to have 2 or 3 cars to work on..
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Old 27 Mar 2013, 23:39 (Ref:3225786)   #208
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Something interesting from a Motoring News race report in 1985. I think the big multi-car accident at Thruxton early in the season has been mentioned earlier in the thread- At least 3 of the Escorts were caught up in that, the Brooklyn cars of Hodgetts and Morris, and Patrick Watts' Julian May-run North Essex Motorsport car.

The main point, which is something I've had nagging at the back of my mind for a while, and which seems to be confirmed by this race report, is the apparent identity of the car Hodgetts used at the next race.

'Championship leader Chris Hodgetts' car was still being rebuilt following its involvement in the Thruxton debacle 'and we opted to build a completely new car in time for the Donington race (on July 14)'. Consequently, Chris borrowed mechanic Tim Hill's Group A rally car for the weekend, practicing the Brooklyn Motorsport/ECS machine complete with tax disc, aerial and number plates! 'It says a lot for the team when I can borrow a mechanic's car and race that' smiled Chris. 'It might be better if the circuit was cut up a little, I think it's probably better suited to the rough. Still, in the circumstances, it's not bad is it?' The unsuspecting rally vehicle was flung around in 1m47.94' (MN, 12/6/85)

A pic in the report of Richard Belcher, Hodgetts and Alan Curnow does show the front number plate on the car, though it's not clear enough to read. Does anyone have a pic of the Tim Hill Brooklyn rallycar?
A fairly random find on the net while looking for rally pics- a collection of Mk3 Escort rally photos, which includes a couple of shots of Tim Hill's Brooklyn rallycar- Is this the car that Chris Hodgetts borrowed for a 1985 Silverstone BTCC round while a replacement for his car totalled in the Thruxton shunt was being built?

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Compare with this pic from a contemporary race report (middle car of the three)
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Compare with this pic from a contemporary race report (middle car of the three)[/QUOTE]
yet again.. WELL DONE KA.

The few pictures I have of that car its lost its blue stripes. and had a set on MH500's on it. this car was broken in the late 90ies. as I still keep in touch with its last keeper, who was an Brooklyn employee untill it went pop, couple of years ago. Fortunatly a few bits still exist of this car. now like Johns Morris car live with 69.
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An interesting one here... don't think it's the original though.
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Just reviving this one with a slightly odd, but still fairly on-topic question.

In 1986, BTCC entries were pretty poor- sometimes down to a dozen cars or thereabouts (think the low-point was something like 11 starters after a couple of cars didn't make it through qualifying at Donington early-season)

As far as I can remember, at the Brands round in late August in an attempt to boost a small grid, several of the Brands Hatch Racing School Escort XR3s ran in the BTCC race, driven presumably by the School's instructors
I can't lay hands on the relevant Autosport/Motoring News reports right now, but can anyone confirm whether this definitely happened, who the drivers were (as I recall, they included a number of well-known Formula Ford names of the period), whether they ran as part of the 1600cc class, or as an invitation class/'race within a race', and where they finished?
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This definitely happened, 7 of the Racing School cars competed at Brands Hatch on August 25, and were driven by:

Peter Argetsinger
Stuart Cole
Chris Creswell
Ben Edwards
Pete King
Lucy Rogers
Pete Rogers
Rick Shortle

As they were all "guest" drivers, they were ineligible for points.

Getting back to Group A Escorts, can anyone identify this car?

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Getting back to Group A Escorts, can anyone identify this car?

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ETCC '84/'85 Annette Meuvissen
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An interesting one here... don't think it's the original though.
The ad says it was built into a race car in 2003, from an '85 road car.
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That's the one- run by Gerstmann Racing. IIRC Jorg van Ommen was another regular driver

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Definatly isnt, supposed to have a Longman gear box, but it looks differant to 44's.. for the asking price, could have had the real thing about 2 years ago..
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An RST is entered for Spencer Marsh for Donington next weekend?

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it will not be the one here, Hope someone finds some pictures for us..... KA perhaps :-)
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I'll take some pics of it of ir's there.
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It wasn't there on the day I went.
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Earlier in the thread, I asked about some of the European RS1600is and what happened to them. A few days back, I was flicking through the current 'Classic Ford' magazine, and in a feature about a Fiesta, there's something interesting lurking in a garage in the background of some of the pics-
https://www.facebook.com/classicford...levant_count=1

It's the 'Auto Veri' RS1600i, seen in the ETCC up to about 1985. It's now apparently owned by German Ford enthusiast Guido Pitzen, who also seems to own/has owned a couple of other Group A Escorts with VLN/Nurburgring history

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as usual KA you are spot on, Gildo certinally does have 3 original German Mk3 Racers, very cleaver chap, just a shame he modernizes them by adding electronic devices and use materials like carbon fibre.. never the less very quick cars because he dose use them!
how are you doing KA? I have a fair bit of news I would like to tell you, would like your email please, could you PM me please?
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as usual KA you are spot on, Gildo certinally does have 3 original German Mk3 Racers, very cleaver chap, just a shame he modernizes them by adding electronic devices and use materials like carbon fibre.. never the less very quick cars because he dose use them!
how are you doing KA? I have a fair bit of news I would like to tell you, would like your email please, could you PM me please?
Yes, I noticed the carbon fibre dashboard and Stack digital display in the Auto Veri car- I'm sure they're not 1985 Group A-legal!

I'll drop you a PM re email address etc.
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Yes, I noticed the carbon fibre dashboard and Stack digital display in the Auto Veri car- I'm sure they're not 1985 Group A-legal!

I'll drop you a PM re email address etc.
pleased do.. loads to tell and show
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another one found (remains of)
Terry Dury S1T driven by Mark Hails. this we found at Silverstone last weekend (Ford Fair) its been re shelled into a road car (very nice too) I believe Terry also purchased Datapost 33, and made this car to go with ex DP33.. trying to get hold of the current keeper of this car, I think he comes from Essex
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