Overseas We Go Again V2.1

[Kingair]

Speedcafe are reporting two jaunts overseas for the Virgin Supercars Championship next year.

Take your choice of Indonesia or Thailand, for your overseas holiday next year with some supercar racing thrown in while you are throwing up, getting some cheap dental work done or your lovely lady has some bodywork updated to your latest specs!

Looks like Winton was so yesterday!

Interesting times ahead.

[Average Punter]

In the past, news such as this would have us stampeding to the travel agents. and flogging webjet and trivago half to death.

Unfortunately now we just say "I'll believe it when I see it..."




And book Benalla anyway...

[Kingair]

Let's see on the Supercars magic carpet ride we have been to Bahrain, Abu Dhabi and America, all promised big things but delivered SFA in reality.

Do we really want to lose wonderful Winton from the calendar?

Perhaps a round in the Antarctica, when we go with the turbo's in Gen 2?

Best starting filling up at BP and get those velocity points for the Asian experience!

[TSR]

A Australian Championship dumps a Australian race/round for 2 Overseas races that only line the pockets of the suits in Supercars Australia.......So much for the fans.

[Umai Naa]

A fair portion of the money earned by VASC for these offshore races gets distributed back into the teams.

[bludvl_x19]

Is anyone expecting a different outcome this time around, to the previous attempts at taking the show overseas?

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

A fair portion of the money earned by VASC for these offshore races gets distributed back into the teams.

Does it? Under the Archer revenue split to the teams - this is much much less these days isn't it?

If they are going to burn Winton to chase short term cash and then try and bully the Vic government into a regional street then this organisation has fallen below the standards that I hold them in ............ And that's low

[Umai Naa]

At present, it appears that the business case for both BAC and VASC to hold an event at Winton is weak at best.

BAC uses the takings from track hire and every other event held there, to scrape their profit margins off the floor, off the back of the yearly VASC visit. Both parties are calling upon the Victorian Government to chip in to ensure the event's long-term viability.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Does it? Under the Archer revenue split to the teams - this is much much less these days isn't it?

If they are going to burn Winton to chase short term cash and then try and bully the Vic government into a regional street then this organisation has fallen below the standards that I hold them in ............ And that's low

The revenue split IS less to the teams than it used to be but describing it as a fair chunk is still valid.

Are you suggesting that VASC is trying to "bully" the Vic govt into a regional street race? Where did that idea come from?

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Tourer

The revenue split IS less to the teams than it used to be but describing it as a fair chunk is still valid.

V8 profit share pre Archer was roughly 65% split to the teams and 35% SEL wasn't it?

Approximately how does this look under Archer?

Originally Posted by Tourer

Are you suggesting that VASC is trying to "bully" the Vic govt into a regional street race? Where did that idea come from?

By burning Winton with the Asian Street races in order push the agenda of a Victorian Street Race.

You know kind of like how V8SA burned Eastern Creek at every opportunity to leverage the ultra successful Homebush street race with NSW Government. And we saw how this worked out in the long run.

For all that Winton has done for Australian motorsport, for V8SA to use them and leverage then off them I think is weak.

[peckstar]

V8 Supercars confirms new ownership structure

release from 2011 which describes new ownership structure

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

V8 profit share pre Archer was roughly 65% split to the teams and 35% SEL wasn't it?

Approximately how does this look under Archer?



By burning Winton with the Asian Street races in order push the agenda of a Victorian Street Race.

You know kind of like how V8SA burned Eastern Creek at every opportunity to leverage the ultra successful Homebush street race with NSW Government. And we saw how this worked out in the long run.

For all that Winton has done for Australian motorsport, for V8SA to use them and leverage then off them I think is weak.

I believe that the teams' shareholding is around 40%, which Peckstar's link seems to confirm - still a fair chunk.

There certainly WAS talk of a possible Geelong street race at one point but that has gone all quiet for some time now with the (then) mayor saying a definite "no" in regard to that idea.

I don't see them "leveraging" Winton - also based on the other speed cafe article re Winton's position, there is clearly a process that Winton/VASC/Vic govt are negotiating in regard to the race. If they all get that sorted, then that may limit the possible number of races in Asia or lead to a need to have more rounds in the series than is currently the case.

Regardless of what happens in Asia (or not) with Sandown on limited time, I would think that all parties would see benefit in getting a deal done for Winton.

[Umai Naa]

That's 40% split between 26 RECs.

All sentiments aside, it needs to make commercial sense to hold an event at a track. Neither BAC, nor VASC want to be running something at a loss, just for the sake of it. As it stands, they are both relying on the VicGov to kick the tin, to ensure the event is sustainable for all parties.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by Kingair

Take your choice of Indonesia or Thailand, for your overseas holiday next year.....

Why choose one when you can go to both.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by dsg

Why choose one when you can go to both.

Im assuming that is what the cars will be doing, straight from one to the other

[D.R.T.]

Where does Malaysia fit into the picture here?

[Umai Naa]

VASC are staying away from it until the legal rabble is taken care of.

[D.R.T.]

So still on the calendar as a TBC?

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

So still on the calendar as a TBC?

The Speedcafe article said not for 2017. How definite the Asian rounds end up being in the final calendar (only a draft at this stage) I guess we'll see when the calendar is released at Sandown.

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by Kingair

Let's see on the Supercars magic carpet ride we have been to Bahrain, Abu Dhabi and America, all promised big things but delivered SFA in reality.

You forget the round held in China at the Win-Ton track several years ago

[Kingair]

Forget about the China experiment-I am suffering from old timers syndrome!

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Im assuming that is what the cars will be doing, straight from one to the other

The speedcafe article says otherwise, the comment being they need to stand on their own 2 feet, ie if one fails the other can still continue, and therefore not requiring to be back to back. Although you would expect some cost avoidance by doing it back to back

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Im assuming that is what the cars will be doing, straight from one to the other

No.One is in May and the other August.
Also the Victorian government already pays Supercars about $1mill to race at a street track-Albert Park.Why would they double down for what would be a tenth rate cousin?