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Old 6 Sep 2017, 17:06 (Ref:3764982)   #1
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TC light

New entry-level touring car class with spec powertrains.
Eligible cars:
- Alfa Romeo Mito Veloce
- Audi S1 S-Line/A1 Sportback S-Line
- Citroen DS3 Performance
- Ford Fiesta ST (2013-2017)
- Ford Fiesta ST (ab 2018)
- Honda Jazz
- Hyundai i20/i20 Coupé
- Kia Rio
- Mazda 2
- Nissan Micra
- Opel Corsa OPC
- Peugeot 208 GTi
- Renault Clio RS
- Renault Clio RS Cup
- Seat Ibiza FR
- Skoda Fabia
- Suzuki Swift Sport
- Toyota Yaris GRMN
- VW Polo GTI

According to "Motorsport Aktuell", there will be likely a "TC light Germany" in the Programm from the ADAC TCR Germany. The Magazin says, that there a talks with organisations from Benelux, Scandinavia and Spain.
http://www.tclight-series.com/website/english.html
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Old 6 Sep 2017, 17:44 (Ref:3764992)   #2
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Seems interesting.

"No balance of performance" is simply great.
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Old 6 Sep 2017, 18:39 (Ref:3765013)   #3
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Seems interesting.

"No balance of performance" is simply great.
Yeah, it's not needed with FWD-only spec. powertrains.

I guess these cars will be on roughly the same level as Clio Cup cars? It'll be good to have a multi-marque lower-level series in saloon car racing. TCS in Italy hasn't taken off.
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Old 6 Sep 2017, 18:53 (Ref:3765018)   #4
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Looks like Touring Light in RCRS.
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Old 6 Sep 2017, 19:20 (Ref:3765028)   #5
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Great stuff, usually these series with hot headed youngsters provide great racing.
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Old 6 Sep 2017, 20:21 (Ref:3765042)   #6
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Hmm... so this is not organized by Lotti's crew, but rather by "TCO - international Touring Car Organisation" from Bremen, Germany. Anybody ever heard about them? Any known names behind that organization?
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Old 6 Sep 2017, 20:27 (Ref:3765044)   #7
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Matthias Meyer - he was last year in the orga from the DTC
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Old 6 Sep 2017, 21:53 (Ref:3765060)   #8
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Sounds interesting.

Could be a solution for TCR Benelux to bring grids to +20 cars. The Benelux series really needs a cheaper 2nd class.
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Old 6 Sep 2017, 22:04 (Ref:3765062)   #9
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so all cars run the same non original engine?!
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Old 6 Sep 2017, 22:20 (Ref:3765064)   #10
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so all cars run the same non original engine?!
Yes spec engine, gearbox and brakes,
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Matthias Meyer - he was last year in the orga from the DTC
Not sure that fills me with great confidence. The technical ruleset sounds interesting and I think that there is a need for a secondary category to TCR, especially for regions like Benelux and the Iberian Peninsula, but motorsport is all about momentum - people will only invest in a series if it has a certain "hipness" to it.

Having just failed to put together a sufficient grid for the last series he was involved in, Mayer definitely does not have that. Things would look much better if the ADAC and Engstler officially endorsed TC-Light as their junior category or even had a hand in promoting it.

What makes things worse is that there really isn't another place to run these cars in case the series is a failure, so teams might be stranded with 50k€ (just a guess) race cars and no place to race them.
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Old 7 Sep 2017, 08:02 (Ref:3765135)   #12
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Looks good, but no Mini on eligible cars list?
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Old 7 Sep 2017, 08:15 (Ref:3765138)   #13
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I'd prefer if the OEM road spec engines were kept and just beefed up / tuned.
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I'd prefer if the OEM road spec engines were kept and just beefed up / tuned.
That's what DTC tried to do with the S1600 category for the better part of a decade, and with not very much success. The spec power train is the only true USP for TC-Lights, so they really can't do without that.
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Uruguayan Superturismo has spec Cosworth engines. It's been very succesful.
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Old 7 Sep 2017, 16:35 (Ref:3765207)   #16
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Based on the models it's in the same league as TC Lights.
How many bhp have these Uruguayan cars?
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Not sure that fills me with great confidence. The technical ruleset sounds interesting and I think that there is a need for a secondary category to TCR, especially for regions like Benelux and the Iberian Peninsula, but motorsport is all about momentum - people will only invest in a series if it has a certain "hipness" to it.

Having just failed to put together a sufficient grid for the last series he was involved in, Mayer definitely does not have that. Things would look much better if the ADAC and Engstler officially endorsed TC-Light as their junior category or even had a hand in promoting it.

What makes things worse is that there really isn't another place to run these cars in case the series is a failure, so teams might be stranded with 50k€ (just a guess) race cars and no place to race them.
I don't know this Meyer but the man/woman in charge can make or break a series.

Is Mr "Bastuck" also involved?
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The Uruguayan Superturismo engines are 2.0L naturally aspirated, with a maximum output of 220 hp and a 8000 rpm rev limiter. They have 6-speed sequential gearboxes. They weight 1020 kg, but may get up to 80 kg of success ballast.

There's a new secondary class to debut this weekend, with engines detuned to 190 hp.
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Looks like it's being introduced in 2018 then.
https://www.touringcartimes.com/2017...oduction-2018/
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Both is from the Renault Clio Cup.
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Both is from the Renault Clio Cup.
Hmm.... so it'll basically be a multi-shell Clio Cup and probably a bit more expensive since you need to build your own car.

On the plus side - it's a tried and tested package.
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Hmm.... so it'll basically be a multi-shell Clio Cup and probably a bit more expensive since you need to build your own car.

On the plus side - it's a tried and tested package.
It looks like.
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