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Old 2 Apr 2012, 14:50 (Ref:3052320)   #1
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When watching American race series I've noticed that the race starts with a waved green flag at the Start Line - Why?

Why do they not use either lights or national flag as in other countries?
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Old 2 Apr 2012, 15:58 (Ref:3052357)   #2
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Because it is America and they can! Same same white flag for last lap and two yellow flags back to back for full course caution etc etc
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Old 2 Apr 2012, 15:59 (Ref:3052358)   #3
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Because they're American karen, they're simple folk so need a simple system of starting a race.....green means GO!.....so it's a waved green flag
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Old 2 Apr 2012, 16:01 (Ref:3052359)   #4
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Old 2 Apr 2012, 16:12 (Ref:3052366)   #5
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And very sensibly in my opinion, the blue flag has a yellow diagonal stripe on it
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Old 2 Apr 2012, 16:27 (Ref:3052372)   #6
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And very sensibly in my opinion, the blue flag has a yellow diagonal stripe on it
That's now only in SCCA (club or pro) racing. ALMS and Indycar have this year adopted congruence with the FIA (what we call "unified flag rules") and are using FIA standard blue flags. Made it difficult at Sebring, where the tire walls are the exact same blue as the new flags.
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Old 2 Apr 2012, 16:51 (Ref:3052379)   #7
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And very sensibly in my opinion, the blue flag has a yellow diagonal stripe on it
"Another competitor is close behind, no overtaking!" ??
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Old 2 Apr 2012, 17:38 (Ref:3052415)   #8
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And very sensibly in my opinion, the blue flag has a yellow diagonal stripe on it
or "Have a go if you're brave enough"?
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Made it difficult at Sebring, where the tire walls are the exact same blue as the new flags.
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But we still have a difference, we have tyre walls
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And very sensibly in my opinion, the blue flag has a yellow diagonal stripe on it
You may be about to be overtaken by an accident!
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That's now only in SCCA (club or pro) racing.
You forgot NASCAR, I spotted a blue with yellow stripe flag being used while watching a replay from Martinsville last night.

The stripe makes a stationary flag easier to notice IMHO.
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But we still have a difference, we have tyre walls
surprised you don't have fyre fighters
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Lightweight, no wet flag problems. Hold it steady or shake it and let the driver make his mind up what he wants to see. He usually does anyway ...
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When watching American race series I've noticed that the race starts with a waved green flag at the Start Line - Why?

Why do they not use either lights or national flag as in other countries?
Just a thought....... The American flag has a significant amount of red in it..... Waved, being seen from a distance whilst travelling at a decent rate for a rolling start might just look like a bit to much like a red flag........
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You forgot NASCAR, I spotted a blue with yellow stripe flag being used while watching a replay from Martinsville last night.

The stripe makes a stationary flag easier to notice IMHO.
And don't forget NASCAR use a blue flag for 'local' yellow conditions
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Old 3 Apr 2012, 16:47 (Ref:3052982)   #16
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And don't forget NASCAR use a blue flag for 'local' yellow conditions
Come on now Squirrel, that's a yellow flag with a blue background! LOL
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Presumably for NASCAR that's going to be the Y'all flag?
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Why do they not use either lights or national flag as in other countries?
Americans aren't so quick to disgrace their flag by raising it into the air and throwing it on the ground so men (and women) can prove whom is quickest in whatever machine they happen to be sitting in. American Flag Code dictates that the flag is to be displayed in specific ways, for certain purposes and certain events ONLY and that we are not to use it for advertisement, self promotion, etc. This, of course, doesn't apply to every flag waving American idiot as the Flag Code does not apply to private citizens (go figure). So we are quick to disgrace it by draping it over our mostly naked bodies and running about like fools, or to flying a bigger flag than the one flown over Fort McHenry so Easy Dan Carsalesman can sell used cars or to making gigantic ones to spread over American Football fields to show our national "pride", whatever that initials these days.
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When watching American race series I've noticed that the race starts with a waved green flag at the Start Line - Why?
Not sure what it is like in the Motherland, but Green means GO, yellow means CAUTION and red means STOP; it shouldn't be that difficult to understand. As others stated, us Colonials like to keep things simple.
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I must admit I've never thought about it or even noticed...
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Here in Australia, the national flag is only used to start historic events, because thats how it was done back in the day.

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Just a thought....... The American flag has a significant amount of red in it..... Waved, being seen from a distance whilst travelling at a decent rate for a rolling start might just look like a bit to much like a red flag........
Convention dictates that when you start a race with a national flag, you don't wave it. The flag gets raised, and then dropped. If its a rolling start with a national flag, then the flag is held in the dropped position until the field has passed it.
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Just a thought....... The American flag has a significant amount of red in it..... Waved, being seen from a distance whilst travelling at a decent rate for a rolling start might just look like a bit to much like a red flag........
The Canadian National flag is regularly used to start races here, with no apparent problems, although it does cause some consternation to the unbriefed!
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And don't forget NASCAR use a blue flag for 'local' yellow conditions
They also have a red and yellow flag, can't remember how it's marked, on the entry to pit lane for the 1st couple of laps of a Safety Car session.
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Americans aren't so quick to disgrace their flag by raising it into the air and throwing it on the ground so men (and women) can prove whom is quickest in whatever machine they happen to be sitting in.

Not sure what it is like in the Motherland, but Green means GO, yellow means CAUTION and red means STOP; it shouldn't be that difficult to understand. As others stated, us Colonials like to keep things simple.
In the Motherland the waved Green flag is used either for the start of the Green flag lap or at every post to signify the end of a Safety Car period not for the start of the race.

Red lights going out is the normal race start procedure here although I have seen the starter walking down the grid when starting a handicap race and raising and lowering the National Flag at the designated place.
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To get back momentarily to the original question, perhaps it is because racing in the US has a predilection towards the use of rolling starts?
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