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Old 20 Sep 2005, 20:44 (Ref:1412579)   #1
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A1 GP Safety issues? Brands Hatch is Quick

Now apparently Bernie doesnt like Brands Hatch for F1 because of its high speed corners, politics and the pre-madonna f1 drivers. I was wondering if the A1GP series organizers have taken some (if any) precautionary measures to assure the safety of the A1GP drivers?

I mean these cars are no where as exotic as F1 but they seem as fast. Infact they'll probably have higher average speed than F1 cars. One positive aspect though is the cars are said to be 'equal' and 'exactly the same', i.e. if Maktoum is to be believed.

I am expecting some amateurish, exciting but hopefully not emotional, displays of driving during the first race. I hope the safety regulations are as good as F1. What if it rains?
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Old 20 Sep 2005, 21:07 (Ref:1412603)   #2
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They have done extensive work at Brands Hatch to bring the GP circuit up to scratch, icluding reprofiling Westfield to allow more run off. Hawthorns' run off has been improved too. These changes (amongst others) have allowed Brands GP to gain a Grade 2 licence and the race take part. The FIA granted this licence a few days ago. Of course a lot was done to the Indy part too for ChampCars.

Not quite sure what your dig at F1 is ("pre-madonna" drivers, but improved safety), but as Sheikh Maktoum says, this isn't F1 it is different
I doubt the A1GP cars will have a "higher average speed". IIRC they are a few seconds slower than GP2 car - not that this matters.

The safety will be up to scratch, the cars are designed by Lola and have undergone much safety testing, as outlined on the A1GP site:
Roll structure.
Impact testing.

The cars will be exactly the same. However each team will have different strengths. Some will be better than others. In addition some teams will have drivers who can set up their car better than others (and that might not be the race driver who does the setting up).

If it rains the cars will run on wet tyres:
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In wet conditions, a specially-developed rain tyre has been carefully selected to cope with monsoon conditions while being tough enough to complete a race distance on a drying track. The compound, construction and pattern design are unique and perfectly tailored to A1 Grand Prix providing the best possible product for this extreme application.
The sporting and race format details aren't fully up to date on the wesbite, but most of the technical stuff is there.

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Old 20 Sep 2005, 22:41 (Ref:1412666)   #3
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I mean these cars are no where as exotic as F1 but they seem as fast. Infact they'll probably have higher average speed than F1 cars.
Why??
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Now apparently Bernie doesnt like Brands Hatch for F1 because of its high speed corners, politics and the pre-madonna f1 drivers. I was wondering if the A1GP series organizers have taken some (if any) precautionary measures to assure the safety of the A1GP drivers?

I mean these cars are no where as exotic as F1 but they seem as fast. Infact they'll probably have higher average speed than F1 cars. One positive aspect though is the cars are said to be 'equal' and 'exactly the same', i.e. if Maktoum is to be believed.

I am expecting some amateurish, exciting but hopefully not emotional, displays of driving during the first race. I hope the safety regulations are as good as F1. What if it rains?
I'm left wandering of this is the most condescending or clueless post I,ve read on here.

Why would the average speed be higher? The A1GP gives away 300-400HP at about the same car weight. How could they possibly get a higher lap speed?

And how could such an amazing feat occur with "amateurish, exciting but hopefully not emotional, displays of driving"?

And what ever led you to believe that safety was the real reason behind Bernie moving F1 away? When has it ever really been the issue in the last 20 years?

And what would make you think that Lola, a very reputable manufacturer of top line racing cars, would not make a chassis which ad safety comensurate with it's performance?

P.S. It's prima donna (as in the spoilt brat syndrome) not pre-madonna (as in before the US singer)
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I am expecting some amateurish, exciting but hopefully not emotional, displays of driving during the first race. I hope the safety regulations are as good as F1. What if it rains?

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I think 'Holiday' was her first hit, so that's before 1982/3 then?
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Now apparently Bernie doesnt like Brands Hatch for F1 because of its high speed corners, politics and the pre-madonna f1 drivers. I was wondering if the A1GP series organizers have taken some (if any) precautionary measures to assure the safety of the A1GP drivers?

I mean these cars are no where as exotic as F1 but they seem as fast. Infact they'll probably have higher average speed than F1 cars. One positive aspect though is the cars are said to be 'equal' and 'exactly the same', i.e. if Maktoum is to be believed.

I am expecting some amateurish, exciting but hopefully not emotional, displays of driving during the first race. I hope the safety regulations are as good as F1. What if it rains?
(pree-muh, prim-uh DON-uh) A vain and overly sensitive person who is temperamental and difficult to work with: “That Jenkins girl is a good gymnast, but she certainly is a prima donna.”

In opera, the prima donna is the principal female soloist. From Italian, meaning “first lady.” so, it really is an abomination to use this word to describe spoiled racing car brats....cough, cough!...looking forward to the Australian round
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The safety will be up to scratch, the cars are designed by Lola and have undergone much safety testing, as outlined on the A1GP site:
Roll structure.
Impact testing.
Well said. Lola is a market leader because safety is a primary consideration in relation to chassis design and construction. The A1GP tests were carried out at the Cranfield Impact Centre http://www.cicl.co.uk/racing.htm Cranfield Impact Centre is one of the world's leading FIA approved test centres and regularly conducts tests for many of the F1 teams.
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