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Old 25 Nov 2016, 20:49 (Ref:3691025)   #5001
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Ogier tested the Yaris WRC. If Toyota has a third car and wants a publicity stunt I´d try to seduce him: "Why not winning what Loeb couldn´t?"
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Old 29 Nov 2016, 01:48 (Ref:3691932)   #5002
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Okay I can say it for 100% now.
There is not going to be a 3rd car. I'm sorry guys!

However, More money is going towards R&D.
This decision was made largely due to Audi leaving as well as regulation staying the same till 2019~2020. (Some R&D had to be paused cos of it)

Anyway, I'm sure there will be some press release by the mid Dec.
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Old 29 Nov 2016, 03:52 (Ref:3691942)   #5003
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How does that go together? R&D is being paused and yet there will be more money for R&D?

Anyways, expected outcome, Audi pulling out and Porsche not bringing a third car has reduced the need for a third car a lot.
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Old 29 Nov 2016, 05:54 (Ref:3691960)   #5004
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The team never announces things until at least January. If there's something talked about it December, that'll be departure from the norm.
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Old 29 Nov 2016, 07:37 (Ref:3691973)   #5005
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How does that go together? R&D is being paused and yet there will be more money for R&D?

Anyways, expected outcome, Audi pulling out and Porsche not bringing a third car has reduced the need for a third car a lot.
Sorry, should've made it little more clear.
R&D for new 2018 Hybrid system has been paused. However, more effort is going into current design based upgrades.
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Old 7 Dec 2016, 19:46 (Ref:3694599)   #5006
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Can anyone here tell me if the current Yaris WRC is made by TMG Cologne or elsewhere? It looks vastly different than the one TMG revealed earlier, and the only link i can draw is DMG Mori, which happens to be the CNC's which TMG uses.
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Old 7 Dec 2016, 20:16 (Ref:3694606)   #5007
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It's not made by TMG, I believe TMG only supplies the engine, their role in the WRC programme has been vastly reduced.
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Old 7 Dec 2016, 22:36 (Ref:3694635)   #5008
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Yeah the WRC program is run elsewhere. I think they said TMG would provide support,but that's about it.
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Old 12 Dec 2016, 12:25 (Ref:3695493)   #5009
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To bump this thread a little.

New Toyota Supra
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...r-2018-assault
The hybrid version is claimed to draw on technology and processes developed for Toyota’s most recent TS050 LMP1 Le Mans race car.
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Old 12 Dec 2016, 15:58 (Ref:3695527)   #5010
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Denso UK confirms Jose Maria Lopez?
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Old 12 Dec 2016, 17:06 (Ref:3695556)   #5011
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Yeah, the local media have taken note of that. Because his contract Lopez can't confirm his participation until january 1. So, maybe from Toyota will make a call to Denso guys haha.
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Old 13 Dec 2016, 01:35 (Ref:3695670)   #5012
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I wonder if Toyota will have him at their motorsport activity conference? It took place in February this year so I think he should be able to speak about it since his other contract is over.
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Old 13 Dec 2016, 13:38 (Ref:3695811)   #5013
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Anyone else find it strange that the WRC team was able to get much better sponsorship than the WEC effort? Microsoft, DMG MORI, Panasonic etc... Meanwhile, the WEC effort only has Mobil and other Toyota Group companies. Also, there is a rumor circulating that Makinen offered Ogier a $15M Euro Contract. Funny how the rally team is rolling in cash.
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Anyone else find it strange that the WRC team was able to get much better sponsorship than the WEC effort? Microsoft, DMG MORI, Panasonic etc... Meanwhile, the WEC effort only has Mobil and other Toyota Group companies. Also, there is a rumor circulating that Makinen offered Ogier a $15M Euro Contract. Funny how the rally team is rolling in cash.
I would love to know this too. that 15M would have done a lot for the WEC effort
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Old 13 Dec 2016, 19:45 (Ref:3695927)   #5015
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Then M-sport + Ford must really have build a great car or paid a lot of money to secure Ogier.

I find it hard to believe that a 15M contract together with a full powered factory effort was worse than what M-Sport could offer. So I don't believe 15M was offered, unless it was for multiple years (+3?) and then 15M isn't that much for the quality driver Ogier is.
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Old 13 Dec 2016, 23:07 (Ref:3695993)   #5016
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Then M-sport + Ford must really have build a great car or paid a lot of money to secure Ogier.

I find it hard to believe that a 15M contract together with a full powered factory effort was worse than what M-Sport could offer. So I don't believe 15M was offered, unless it was for multiple years (+3?) and then 15M isn't that much for the quality driver Ogier is.
Well Ogier tested the Toyota and said the suspension needed a ton of work so more probably the ford gives him a better chance at winning, at least short term.
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Anyone else find it strange that the WRC team was able to get much better sponsorship than the WEC effort? Microsoft, DMG MORI, Panasonic etc... Meanwhile, the WEC effort only has Mobil and other Toyota Group companies. Also, there is a rumor circulating that Makinen offered Ogier a $15M Euro Contract. Funny how the rally team is rolling in cash.
WRC millions cheaper to develop and run.
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Well Ogier tested the Toyota and said the suspension needed a ton of work so more probably the ford gives him a better chance at winning, at least short term.
If he even drove the car in its final configuration. Toyota and Makinen aren't too stupid to let him know all there is to their car so he can make the others better. Plus he said that about tarmac iirc. And Toyota has been doing only gravel running so it was one of the first times running on tarmac.

I think if the wrc project has the means to offer Ogier $15 million per year then they must be pretty well funded. But it's probably multi year. Hope the wec project gets more funding too.
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Anyone else find it strange that the WRC team was able to get much better sponsorship than the WEC effort? Microsoft, DMG MORI, Panasonic etc... Meanwhile, the WEC effort only has Mobil and other Toyota Group companies. Also, there is a rumor circulating that Makinen offered Ogier a $15M Euro Contract. Funny how the rally team is rolling in cash.
I think it would take a brave man to argue in this section of the forum why this might be the case...
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I don't know how the rally TV coverage is, but the app coverage is far better. I think it might be a little more expensive than WEC, but IMO the rally coverage is the best app out there. Loads of awesome live and replayed stuff.

It could also be that the sponsor spots are cheaper. I could fill an LMP1 car with sponsor logos if I sold all the spots for £20.
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If he even drove the car in its final configuration. Toyota and Makinen aren't too stupid to let him know all there is to their car so he can make the others better.
At the end of the day, the Polo WRC was the best modern rally car and the 2017 spec was rumoured to be an even bigger monster. Ogier brings much more to Toyota than he could ever take from a single test with the car....

Makinen would have done everything they could to secure Ogier. Who is in a class of his own with Loeb...Toyota did not build a special dummy spec Yaris just for Ogier to drive. That makes no sense.
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Anyone else find it strange that the WRC team was able to get much better sponsorship than the WEC effort? Microsoft, DMG MORI, Panasonic etc... Meanwhile, the WEC effort only has Mobil and other Toyota Group companies. Also, there is a rumor circulating that Makinen offered Ogier a $15M Euro Contract. Funny how the rally team is rolling in cash.
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Then M-sport + Ford must really have build a great car or paid a lot of money to secure Ogier.

I find it hard to believe that a 15M contract together with a full powered factory effort was worse than what M-Sport could offer. So I don't believe 15M was offered, unless it was for multiple years (+3?) and then 15M isn't that much for the quality driver Ogier is.

I don't think that just because they offered a 15M contract means they just had 15Million euros under a mattress....or that they are rolling in liquid assets

There are many ways to read into this.

It could be 15M over 3 years. Or they could have found lenders for Ogiers contract fee. The point being that they know Ogier will bring them the championship (lets not kid ourselves), so how much future value is that worth to M-Sport.

Think about the value, and what type of million dollar sponsors you can now attract, with Ogier in the team. It's just business. They would have figured out how to offer him 15million tomorrow in a lump sum
if it meant they would make more money/sponsors later.
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At the end of the day, the Polo WRC was the best modern rally car and the 2017 spec was rumoured to be an even bigger monster. Ogier brings much more to Toyota than he could ever take from a single test with the car....

Makinen would have done everything they could to secure Ogier. Who is in a class of his own with Loeb...Toyota did not build a special dummy spec Yaris just for Ogier to drive. That makes no sense.
I don't think you read my comment right. I said he drove the car (for one of it's first times) on tarmac and said that it needs work, but on gravel it was another story. The car was just revealed in it's final iteration. So what he drove could be changed and probably was changed. I didn't say they built a dummy spec car for just him.
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The engine of the Yaris WRC is developed by TMG. The leader is Japanese engineer Aoki. He said the powerful engine was developed based on Makinen's request. I speculate from this article that TMG is also highly involved in development of the car itself so that their advanced model-based development which was proven in WEC field can be used in the WRC area.
Senior director Saga said that the same hardware is used for WEC and WRC engine development with different concepts. The WEC engine focuses on heat efficiency while WRC engine focuses on power and drivability. I speculate that Higashifuji Center is closely working with the TMG WRC engine team.
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The engine of the Yaris WRC is developed by TMG. The leader is Japanese engineer Aoki. He said the powerful engine was developed based on Makinen's request. I speculate from this article that TMG is also highly involved in development of the car itself so that their advanced model-based development which was proven in WEC field can be used in the WRC area.
Senior director Saga said that the same hardware is used for WEC and WRC engine development with different concepts. The WEC engine focuses on heat efficiency while WRC engine focuses on power and drivability. I speculate that Higashifuji Center is closely working with the TMG WRC engine team.
http://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1035134.html
How about the Aero testing and spare parts?

Im curious to see if TMG does this inhouse. I see the Yaris turn up to test sessions with new aero parts everytime. Surely Makkinen doesn't have the wind tunnel to test these bits in Finland?
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