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peckstar · 8 Sep 2013, 10:17 (Ref:3300443)

well if we are going to take races of people becuase they may or may not have advantage. how about we take all the races of Holden from when the AU was racing because of the aero advantage the holden have.

Hes not a very nice man that simon.

Gaz170 · 8 Sep 2013, 10:18 (Ref:3300444)

Perhaps the answer would be to make DOHC optional for Ford and Holden in 2014 and 2015, compulsory from 2016 on-wards.

Gaz170 · 8 Sep 2013, 10:21 (Ref:3300445)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

well if we are going to take races of people becuase they may or may not have advantage. how about we take all the races of Holden from when the AU was racing because of the aero advantage the holden have.

A few people have said the Holden has an aero advantage this year, should we take away all their wins whilst we're at it?

peckstar · 8 Sep 2013, 10:28 (Ref:3300448)

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Originally Posted by Gaz170

A few people have said the Holden has an aero advantage this year, should we take away all their wins whilst we're at it?

its seems to be the standard they want to set

bluesport · 8 Sep 2013, 10:47 (Ref:3300453)

If Nissan and/or Erebus had a power advantage, holden would be screaming to have parity applied, but it seems that parity is a one way street with them........hypocrites!

rik · 8 Sep 2013, 14:55 (Ref:3300515)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

The holden political machine making sure that other manufacturers merely participate and do not win.........will it ultimately be a waste of time and effort for Nissan, Erebus and Volvo to compete in this category?

Pathetic case of sour grapes by Holden. If these guys had won a race without the fuel they'd be crying about aero or something else.

The win was legit because there was no cheating involved. They were given permission to use a different fuel. If that was a mistake, then too bad. In addition it doesn't seem to have even been proven there a was a power increase despite independent dyno testing.

Trev Campbell · 8 Sep 2013, 22:42 (Ref:3300696)

It would be funny if Simon gets his way, Nissan gets dudded, it moves Frosty and Will up in the points and that point difference is what wins them a championship !!!!!

**GTRMagic** · 8 Sep 2013, 22:43 (Ref:3300697)

Whether Mr McNamara's argument has been appropriately framed isnt the point.

The V8SA powers that be allowed the E70 fuel product to be used for one race of the season, in 3 specific cars, and chose to remove E70 from the fuel roster from the Sunday races.

These are the immutable facts.

Why did V8SA remove the E70 product from the fuel roster? Did they get pressured by different teams? And if so, does it not perhaps make a mockery of the parity process??

ford71 · 8 Sep 2013, 23:40 (Ref:3300721)

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Originally Posted by Trev Campbell

It would be funny if Simon gets his way, Nissan gets dudded, it moves Frosty and Will up in the points and that point difference is what wins them a championship !!!!!

Now this would be sweet.

GTR, wouldn't the E70 been used only for the Saturday because that was what was agreed upon? To test their theories (whatever they are) the fuel would not have been needed to be used for more than a single race.

Mixer · 8 Sep 2013, 23:53 (Ref:3300728)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The V8SA powers that be allowed the E70 fuel product to be used for one race of the season, in 3 specific cars, and chose to remove E70 from the fuel roster from the Sunday races.

I kinda wish they had not done this and let the Nissans fade back to their regular position even with the "jungle juice". I'm skeptical about the horsepower advantage, especially at Winton, but the result does stand out prouder than a honeymooner's dick. We'll just never know now, and the actions of the category management now fuel the conspiracy.

rik · 9 Sep 2013, 00:24 (Ref:3300738)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

We'll just never know now, and the actions of the category management now fuel the conspiracy.

A bit of transparency would help. Release the dyno results publicly....

Mixer · 9 Sep 2013, 04:48 (Ref:3300805)

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Originally Posted by rik

A bit of transparency would help. Release the dyno results publicly....

Can you trust yourself to read a dyno chart?

peckstar · 9 Sep 2013, 04:57 (Ref:3300806)

Oh dear - compulsory fuel stops. this better only last this year

Umai Naa · 9 Sep 2013, 05:03 (Ref:3300807)

Nice.

Lets see the whingers whinge about a nice consistent rule that applies to everyone. About time the rules placed some more focus on strategy, as opposed to entertainment.

peckstar · 9 Sep 2013, 05:11 (Ref:3300809)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Nice.

Lets see the whingers whinge about a nice consistent rule that applies to everyone. About time the rules placed some more focus on strategy, as opposed to entertainment.

doesnt this reduce strategy?

edit, ok i guess in someways it causes strategy, but now its a forced staregy instead of anyone can do their own

Buckshot · 9 Sep 2013, 05:17 (Ref:3300811)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

Oh dear - compulsory fuel stops. this better only last this year

I don't like it but it's probably the easiest way to clean up this debacle that's fair to everyone without resorting to alternate fuel blends which are going to cloud any results - but yeah, only this year please.

Mixer · 9 Sep 2013, 06:10 (Ref:3300820)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Lets see the whingers whinge about a nice consistent rule that applies to everyone. About time the rules placed some more focus on strategy, as opposed to entertainment.

Still though the new entrants are going to have to stop for longer, and carry more weight than the other cars.

I don't have a perfect solution but this one is decidedly imperfect also.

**GTRMagic** · 9 Sep 2013, 06:10 (Ref:3300821)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

The holden political machine making sure that other manufacturers merely participate and do not win.........will it ultimately be a waste of time and effort for Nissan, Erebus and Volvo to compete in this category?

So... it seems there has been lots of whinging about Mr McNamara daring to suggest that the Nissans should be flipped out of the results of R25 at Winton.

Story Here

I think there is something being overlooked here, Mr McNamara is the GM of Holden Motorsport. Its his job to support as well as represent the 15 cars running the Holden brand in the main game.

Like most in the paddock, it seems his views exist because of the farce of fuel selection and then de-selection at Winton.

The purpose of the exercise for him is likely to create a lot of noise around the inequity of fuel being the parity solution of choice.

And the politicking seems to have worked... as E70 isnt likely to grace another race track for the main game this year... an alternate solution has apparently been found...

**GTRMagic** · 9 Sep 2013, 06:11 (Ref:3300823)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

Oh dear - compulsory fuel stops. this better only last this year

Story Here

Why might it last only this year, Volvo + A.N.Other Brand may be on the grid next season, where are their parity concessions?

4 stops for Sandown is interesting, but the complaint in the beginning was that the Nissans and Erebus AMGs used more fuel than the other brands.

So if they use more fuel, they will spend more time filling up at the stops, even though there are four for everyone at the Sandown race, and arguably are carrying more fuel than their Ford or Holden competitors, and will retain some level of disadvantage.

Is there any further noise around possible fuel filler restrictors for the Holden and Ford teams, to make them slower...?

**GTRMagic** · 9 Sep 2013, 06:27 (Ref:3300829)

Wonder if the author of this article might also works nights as a stand up comedian/comedienne?

Story Here

one five five · 9 Sep 2013, 06:42 (Ref:3300834)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Nice.

Lets see the whingers whinge about a nice consistent rule that applies to everyone. About time the rules placed some more focus on strategy, as opposed to entertainment.

Surely this rule change is all about putting the focus on entertainment as opposed to strategy....and the sporting element left well and truly behind.

Do they have compulsory amount of pitstops at Le Mans?

**GTRMagic** · 9 Sep 2013, 06:45 (Ref:3300836)

Wonder what happens when the 4 Nissans are the quickest down the 2 chutes at Sandown... and pass everyone in sight in a straight line.. will there be parity going on there too?

bluesport · 9 Sep 2013, 07:40 (Ref:3300849)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Wonder what happens when the 4 Nissans are the quickest down the 2 chutes at Sandown... and pass everyone in sight in a straight line.. will there be parity going on there too?

If Nissan or Erebus/AMG end up with superior performance, they will be slowed down.........parity is a one way street in this category.

rik · 9 Sep 2013, 08:04 (Ref:3300861)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Wonder what happens when the 4 Nissans are the quickest down the 2 chutes at Sandown... and pass everyone in sight in a straight line.. will there be parity going on there too?

One thing is for certain, there will be a whole lot of whinging!

**GTRMagic** · 9 Sep 2013, 08:58 (Ref:3300886)

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Originally Posted by rik

One thing is for certain, there will be a whole lot of whinging!

As there should be... the transparency of the Fuel Parity process here leaves a lot to be desired...

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