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4 Nov 2010, 22:24 (Ref:2785134) | #26 | |
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If RBR have not learned to back Webber yet then Alonso will be WDC!
The whole point of team orders is to prevent your drivers working out ways to lose races when your cars are running 1 and 2 and are the class of the field. We may hate team orders, but they obviously have an advantage. |
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If Vettel was in Webber's situation and Helmutt was calling the shots, then Webber would now be "helping" his team mate. However now that parity was managements decision, parity is what Webber has! If numb nuts hadn't thrown his car at the wall, several times, he would be world champion now! Applies to both of them! Anyway let's hope Webber gets it done! |
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Well, they did bang wheels going into T1. If the McLaren was as fragile as the Newey RBR then there would have been retirements for McL in Turkey
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On the contrary, it was amazing that even one RBR got to the finish after what was a very solid collision between the two in Turkey, the Red Bull has been fragile in terms of reliability but as far as driving away from collisions is concerned it's been the Mclarens that have been out of the race after the slightest tap this season. Reliability and crash worthiness are two very different things.
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5 Nov 2010, 12:24 (Ref:2785321) | #32 | |
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If Red Bull had backed Webber for the championship after Belgium (As Ferrari would have done) then yes RBR would have already wrapped up the drivers title. So it's a pretty fair comment I'd say.
The fact that RBR still refuse to use team orders seems to point to the fact as I've thought (And probably many other since Turkey) that if Vettel can't win the title they'd rather not win it. (Although I find this staggering, I don't run a multi billion dollar business based on marketing) |
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5 Nov 2010, 12:48 (Ref:2785333) | #33 | |
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Be a bit of an irony if RBR turn their noses up at this WDC and never manage to win another one!
My feeling is that a WDC is rather precious and rare and you do everything you can to make them happen! |
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"It would be frustrating because we've obviously worked under the auspices that team orders have been illegal," Horner told BBC radio. Domenicali was just repsonding in kind after an obvious snide remark. I dearly hope Alonso wraps it up in Brazil if only to fuel the whinger's fires even more! Forza Ferrari!!! |
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In the race in question Massa was faster than Alonso and had to give way !!! |
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6 Nov 2010, 04:16 (Ref:2785670) | #37 | |
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Actually, he was slower, he just happened to be ahead. Thats why he had to give way. "Felipe, Fernando. Is. Faster. Than. You"
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Surely thats close enough to still give Vettel his shot. As i said before, McLaren are still backing Jenson and he's 42 points behind. I have to say, i don't like team orders, but when the Hockenhein thing happened, Alonso looked out of the title fight and Massa was even further behind. Both McLaren and Red Bull drivers were well and truely in the title fight. So, as much as i don't like it, they had to back Alonso, also, like it or not, with the exception of that one race (unfortunately for Ferrari) Massa had been nowhere near Alonso in terms of speed or position in ages. (with the exception of the start at Silverstone where the had a coming together!) |
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Pointless as Domenicali's comments are, I think there's a grain of truth to them. Red Bull and their drivers have thrown away an unprecedented number of front-row starts. I'd like to think that Alonso or Hamilton would've had it wrapped up by now if they'd had such a car advantage.
But as Selby said, if you're auntie had a willy, she'd be your uncle. |
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Maybe the McLaren has not been handling as well as the other two top cars, but at the end of the day you have to drive what the car can do. Getting on the radio, to whinge about it to the team, doesn't make it go faster. |
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You can't take a message for massa to let Alonso past as meaning Alonso was faster. What do u want them to say, 'Can you let Alonso past because we want to back him' It was after all meant to be a (poorly) coded message.
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It has not been as bad as the Massa v Hamilton 2008 championship...but I dont understand how people can say that other drivers would have sewn up the championship by now if they were in an RBR. As you pointed out the only guy that has been largely mistake free has been slower and that to me is a bigger concern. (Button) |
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