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Old 15 Oct 2014, 15:57 (Ref:3465327)   #51
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for me this would stack up why Ron may want to desperately sign Alonso, but he's cool about it in public.......my understanding is the Santander spanish banking sponsorship, currently splashed accros Ferraris F1 cars will follow Alonso wherever he goes, this would be the title sponsor that Ron needs to honour his deal in the McLaren board room, and therefore keep his position and not be replaced by Berger.........whereas if he signs Lewis he just gets a brilliant driver, and possibly this years champ, but no title sponsor.......for me it does seem Ron is playing a high stakes poker game and he could very easily lose his hand.......this is probably why Alonso is being ultra cool about his position next year, as he knows he controls the Santander sponsorship direction......and he knows Ron needs it badly
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I go with that scenario..
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Old 15 Oct 2014, 21:10 (Ref:3465434)   #53
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for me this would stack up why Ron may want to desperately sign Alonso, but he's cool about it in public.......my understanding is the Santander spanish banking sponsorship, currently splashed accros Ferraris F1 cars will follow Alonso wherever he goes, this would be the title sponsor that Ron needs to honour his deal in the McLaren board room, and therefore keep his position and not be replaced by Berger.........whereas if he signs Lewis he just gets a brilliant driver, and possibly this years champ, but no title sponsor.......for me it does seem Ron is playing a high stakes poker game and he could very easily lose his hand.......this is probably why Alonso is being ultra cool about his position next year, as he knows he controls the Santander sponsorship direction......and he knows Ron needs it badly
yes.... But.
The boss of Santander whose family own the bank, and who was one of the primary forces in their involvement with F1, died recently.
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Movistar is travelling with Alonso to who ever he drives for and BlackBerry are said to be looking at hooking up with them as well.

That may be another reason Ron and Alonso are playing poker....
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Old 15 Oct 2014, 21:24 (Ref:3465438)   #54
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yes.... But.
The boss of Santander whose family own the bank, and who was one of the primary forces in their involvement with F1, died recently.
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Movistar is travelling with Alonso to who ever he drives for and BlackBerry are said to be looking at hooking up with them as well.

That may be another reason Ron and Alonso are playing poker....
I'm surprised Blackberry would leave Mercedes, just as Mercedes have won the Contructor's Championship and will undoubtedly win the WDC as well as the runner up.
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I'm surprised Blackberry would leave Mercedes, just as Mercedes have won the Contructor's Championship and will undoubtedly win the WDC as well as the runner up.
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Do Blackberry have the money? I thought they were in difficulty as they are being squeezed out of the mobile phone market by Apple and Samsung.
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Do Blackberry have the money? I thought they were in difficulty as they are being squeezed out of the mobile phone market by Apple and Samsung.
People have said that but they sponsor Mercedes already and maybe things aren't all they look like on the outside....
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for me this would stack up why Ron may want to desperately sign Alonso, but he's cool about it in public.......my understanding is the Santander spanish banking sponsorship, currently splashed accros Ferraris F1 cars will follow Alonso wherever he goes, this would be the title sponsor that Ron needs to honour his deal in the McLaren board room, and therefore keep his position and not be replaced by Berger.........whereas if he signs Lewis he just gets a brilliant driver, and possibly this years champ, but no title sponsor.......for me it does seem Ron is playing a high stakes poker game and he could very easily lose his hand.......this is probably why Alonso is being ultra cool about his position next year, as he knows he controls the Santander sponsorship direction......and he knows Ron needs it badly
This is an indictment of just how bad F1 is if a driver like Alonso is effectively 'paying for his drive'... to an organization as illustrious as McLaren.
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People have said that but they sponsor Mercedes already and maybe things aren't all they look like on the outside....
If they sponsor another team along with Mercedes, it will mess up their brand awareness and association with Mercedes. Anyway, I'm well off topic.
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This is an indictment of just how bad F1 is if a driver like Alonso is effectively 'paying for his drive'... to an organization as illustrious as McLaren.
oh, I'm sure this is only half of the actual situation......my other belief is that Alonso will be well aware of his previous mistake of not contractually tying up his outright number one status within the McLaren team before he joins, unlike in 2007........hence he is probably playing poker for that too.......Button may have been told you can stay in 2015 but you'll be No2 for Alonso, to which he will probably never accept, hence he may retire......so then Magnussen would be an ideal second driver for captain Alonso to regularly crush
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oh, I'm sure this is only half of the actual situation......my other belief is that Alonso will be well aware of his previous mistake of not contractually tying up his outright number one status within the McLaren team before he joins, unlike in 2007........hence he is probably playing poker for that too.......Button may have been told you can stay in 2015 but you'll be No2 for Alonso, to which he will probably never accept, hence he may retire......so then Magnussen would be an ideal second driver for captain Alonso to regularly crush
I doubt Alonso has that much bargaining power to be making that type of demand. Dennis has all the cards.
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Dennis knows how good Alonso is but also what a diva he can be. However he'll take a brilliant diva if it means his cars go fastet than they would do with the current drivers anyday!
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He didn't turn out to be so good last time around, then again Ron's protégé was in the equation.
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Alonso is going to have to restrain that inner diva. He's no options really if he wants to drive in '15. Hamilton isn't going to make a speculative move, RBR seats are tied up and spoken for, so he has to parlay with Ron Dennis. And it's also a gamble as to what seats are available in 2016 if he does sit out the year. He may have to scramble back onto the grid rather than count on a plumb drive. Not good for a man impatient to be WC again.

I was struck by the interview Brundle had with Dennis a few races ago. Dennis was palpably more self satisfied than normal. He is enjoying this situation. I don't think Alonso is.
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He didn't turn out to be so good last time around, then again Ron's protégé was in the equation.
How many races and podiums did he score?

It was the lack of team direction that cost him and led to his implosion otherwise Ferrari wouldn't have stood a chance!
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That would be something! !
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granted Alonso is older now and seems more mellow but i cant help but wonder how much of the 'calm Fernando' is the result of Flav not being in the picture any more?

on the flip side if Flav was still around, would a driver of Alonso's talents be waiting around for a drive?

Mclaren would probably be out of the picture but in hindsight would it be fair to say that Flav would have had him out of Ferrari a couple of years ago and quite possibly have had him in at Merc as Schumi's replacement?
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granted Alonso is older now and seems more mellow but i cant help but wonder how much of the 'calm Fernando' is the result of Flav not being in the picture any more?

on the flip side if Flav was still around, would a driver of Alonso's talents be waiting around for a drive?

Mclaren would probably be out of the picture but in hindsight would it be fair to say that Flav would have had him out of Ferrari a couple of years ago and quite possibly have had him in at Merc as Schumi's replacement?
Quite probably... but then a blind man at night could see Ferrari have been going nowhere for some time now and I'm fairly sure Fernando's big and ugly enough to exercise a performance clause, gather up the geese and get the flock out of there.
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If Alonso lead a consortium to pick up Sauber which was rumoured at one point and Alonso had ideas to lead that initiative - I'd enjoy seeing that but I'm not sure I could foresee anything other than a fiasco!

Alonso is too combustible to be able to do it. If there was one guy who could make it work; it'd be Schumacher and this hard-nosed work ethic but he never showed even one whit of interest in pursuing that.
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How many races and podiums did he score?

It was the lack of team direction that cost him and led to his implosion otherwise Ferrari wouldn't have stood a chance!
At McLaren he had 4 wins and 12 podiums. At Ferrari he's had 11 wins and 44 podiums.

I always thought his implosion was due to Ron Dennis focusing most of his attention and team resources on Hamiton.
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thats was a rather fun weekend on the forum (probably not for the mods though).
I'd forgotten about that. I like the fact Ron Dennis went and had a word with Alonso's physiotherapist about what happened.
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