Newcastle Is Go!!!

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

wasnt particularily aiming at you, more the gt3 fanbois who like to come and talk crap about supercars.

Who was the poster who brought up GT3 in a V8SC street race thread?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Who was the poster who brought up GT3 in a V8SC street race thread?

well actually seeing how Gt3 compete at Supercar street races i guess there is a link.

3 of 5 aust Gt championship events are street races, all 3 have supercars on the card

The series seems to gain a benefit from street races. mind twisted on that one.

hopefully we get to watch them at newcastle next year, would be great to be able to watch the last round of the series on tv

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

well actually seeing how Gt3 compete at Supercar street races i guess there is a link.

What is the link or relevance to Newcastle?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

What is the link or relevance to Newcastle?

changed your question, but the answer is still there in the post

[rich07]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

How many stand alone races have the GT3 community tried to get up in Australia?

What the hell does this have to do with the Newcastle race? I've been following this thread with interest regarding the the two sides arguing over the event. Personally I'm all for it I think it's a great idea, the positives far outweigh the negatives.

Thanks to you everyone is arguing about Supercar va GT which isn't what this thread is about. Way to derail a good thread.

[Mixer]

Yeah we need a +dicksize thread so the rest of us can talk about racing I love Newcastle town and I had breakfast down on the waterfront 2 weeks ago. Supercars race fits the plan down there and I think it will showcase Newcastle beautifully.

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[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by rich07

What the hell does this have to do with the Newcastle race? I've been following this thread with interest regarding the the two sides arguing over the event. Personally I'm all for it I think it's a great idea, the positives far outweigh the negatives.

Thanks to you everyone is arguing about Supercar va GT which isn't what this thread is about. Way to derail a good thread.

Its not a derail at all.

It is a valid question.

When you read thru the thread and most of the postings relate to complaining how crap Supercar is at running events, how nobody seems to want the event there, how nobody seems to want to go to these events, how these events lose money, how they are crap spectator venues, how the government shouldn't be investing in motorsport... blah blah blah..,. an alternative supplier of a racing category, one with the capacity to hold its own stand alone events can be put up as a different opportunity.

And, it appears there is none.

Lots of woulda/coulda/shoulda but no progress.

Supercar is out there doing it, nobody else is.
Write what you like constructively about what isn't working as well as you might like, but the continued slagging is more than tiresome..

[racer69]

Originally Posted by peckstar

more the gt3 fanbois who like to come and talk crap about supercars.

Just because someone might criticise Supercars doesn't make them a GT3 'fanboi'.

I've personally got things i don't like about both

[mayhem]

At the risk of being accused of slagging Supercars, Newcastle Council has requested "significant changes" to the circuit and has taken their requests to the State government:
Council wants changes to Newcastle circuit

[T-star]

Never see GT3 cause trouble like that hey Mayhem

[one five five]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

how the government shouldn't be investing in motorsport... blah blah blah..,.

The government isn't investing in motorsport in this case, it's putting money into a Supercars show that lasts for three days out of 365

[PS2244]

Originally Posted by mayhem

At the risk of being accused of slagging Supercars, Newcastle Council has requested "significant changes" to the circuit and has taken their requests to the State government:
Council wants changes to Newcastle circuit

Same layout to remain
http://www.supercars.com/news/championship/supercars-confirms-unchanged-newcastle-layout/

[one five five]

Originally Posted by LD2244

Same layout to remain
http://www.supercars.com/news/champi...castle-layout/

Is it really a good idea to go against a council's wishes, for the sake of a long-term relationship with the council and the series?

[mayhem]

I love how the Supercars website reports on a media release by Supercars as news. That's great. #FakeNews

[fomoco]

[QUOTE=peckstar;3718523]so let me get this right, yout think support categories should be free? Dont get that at all. support categories get a massive benefit by being at a supercars event.( audience) They should contribute to the costs of the event. If they want a cheap event they are welcome to do it themself. except that would cost and they would get no crowd or tv coverage.

and yes we get it all on fox, its great, best coverage the series has ever had[/QUOTe

No I don't think supports should get a free kick,but be reasonable to the cost that you charge them.
If , like NASCAR, that is the only cars that run, then thats all the punters you would get, that particular fan base.
If you where a smart business, and held a three/four day event, then you would want supports that punters like to see.
For Instance:
Little Aussie
Utes
Porsche
Dunlop/super 2

and give them race time

One of the big things that turns ppl off, is 3 days of supposed thunder, when all you get is a day . Take out crap practice and qualifying.
Like Practice, besides a brand new track(last track built inn 1999), how many times do you have to drive around the same circuit you have raced on for the past 20 years?
Qualifying, why not he is fastest first up gets the pole award, oh hang on, we can more out of this, lets run qualifying for another race.

Why not just get out there and race

Yes they have to pay a fee to be a part of the circus,
but and a BIG BUT if you want bums on seats, then put on a show , that the punters will come and see.
And not charge a arm and a leg, considering, Tax payers fund it

As a volunteer marshall for the last 18 years, mate I have seen crowd drops, boring 90 min practice , dwindling grid numbers etc ect

All because , one group decides on to dictate

I love Motorsport, but in Aust , it;s hemorrhaging, and the gurus just cant see it

[Mixer]

Fomoco, even for you that is just a ridiculous ramble.

Making an argument that ticket prices should be lower because Supercars is taxpayer funded is so wrong it isn't funny.

Supercars is a profitable business in its own right.

It asks for Government investment in certain events where the belief is that the community should benefit from that investment - this happens in almost all sporting codes, the arts and business. Get over it.

From a certain point of view, the Government actually has a responsibility to invest in events & tourism for the benefit.

But Supercars doesn't take billions in handouts, like say the mining industry...

[Compromised]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Its not a derail at all.


Supercar is out there doing it, nobody else is.
Write what you like constructively about what isn't working as well as you might like, but the continued slagging is more than tiresome..

You speak of Supercars like the are a charity.

They're the top dogs, the premier category in Australian motorsport, they make the big bucks. Shockingly this comes with a lot of responsibility and criticism. GT3 are so small in comparison, I'm shocked you'd willing compare the two - of course one does more than the other, one also has a "massive" tv deal and everything that comes with it.

Heavy lies the crown. If it all gets a bit much, too many haters, too much stress, too much responsibility, they can always sell....

[Matt]

Originally Posted by one five five

Is it really a good idea to go against a council's wishes, for the sake of a long-term relationship with the council and the series?

When it's a safety issue, absolutely.

From google maps/streetview, they'd be absolutely flying through the Shortland Espenlade section with zero places for emergency vehicles to be placed. Would it look awesome? Absolutely, but safety needs to take precedence in this instance.

Based on commenters in the speedcafe article that are working on the track, the only few protesters are older folk who are super resistant to change, and the younger demographic is super into the event happening.

[PS2244]

Originally Posted by Matt

When it's a safety issue, absolutely.

From google maps/streetview, they'd be absolutely flying through the Shortland Espenlade section with zero places for emergency vehicles to be placed. Would it look awesome? Absolutely, but safety needs to take precedence in this instance.

Based on commenters in the speedcafe article that are working on the track, the only few protesters are older folk who are super resistant to change, and the younger demographic is super into the event happening.

Exactly matt I'm one of the supporters in that demographic 80% of us east Enders are actually in favour of the event. Whilst I agree it would have been cool to go through the esplanade it's far too dangerous as there would hypothetically be minimal access for emergency and safety vehicles. This older people are by far the most change resistant people I have encountered in my life

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Matt

When it's a safety issue, absolutely.

From google maps/streetview, they'd be absolutely flying through the Shortland Espenlade section with zero places for emergency vehicles to be placed. Would it look awesome? Absolutely, but safety needs to take precedence in this instance.

Based on commenters in the speedcafe article that are working on the track, the only few protesters are older folk who are super resistant to change, and the younger demographic is super into the event happening.

The council would be aware of safety or potential safety issues in their own local jurisdiction - would they not?

Forgive me if I dont put to much weight in "from google maps it appears" and "based on comments from speedcafe"

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

The council would be aware of safety or potential safety issues in their own local jurisdiction - would they not?

Forgive me if I dont put to much weight in "from google maps it appears" and "based on comments from speedcafe"

would they? Is saftey around race tracks their area of expertise?

[Mixer]

Councils also are now the kings of corruption and self interest so I view all council movements as potentially suspect these days.

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[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Councils also are now the kings of corruption and self interest

Generic sweeping statement there.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Generic sweeping statement there.

No more than this quote from you

The council would be aware of safety or potential safety issues in their own local jurisdiction - would they not?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Generic sweeping statement there.

Backed by facts.

Take your pick almost anywhere in NSW. Maybe start with Selim Mehajer... or Eddie Obied or even Ray Williams if you want to go higher up the tree.

Rampant financial interest and corruption with regards to planning permissions and property zoning, tied with inappropriate financial interest and links to property developers and organised crime.