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Old 3 Jul 2010, 12:54 (Ref:2721452)   #951
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Hi nicky,

It would be great to see something substantial materialize, but there still isn't much sign of it. As for last night's Nationwide race, they had no problem mentioning the Glen since ESPN/ABC is covering that race on Sunday too.

There have been IndyCar mentions all season in Nascar, thanks to Danica Patrick's crossover. Lots of highlights of her in the Dallara on stock car shows. If that drew any Nascar fans in the opposite direction, it might have been hundreds.

Part of the New Hampshire sales pitch was to announce that tickets for the IndyCar race would go on sale the following day. Jerry Gappens said they sold 200.

By the way, what did you think of the Nationwide show from Daytona? And do you get good coverage of the IndyCar races? What network? Thanks!
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That's all interesting stuff but that doesn't answer my question, what's going to take its place, or do you think that's the end of AOWR?
If it goes away that will be that. For a while anyways.

Nascar will just take over the indy 500.

I think we could see the end of open wheel within 2 years. Or less.
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Old 3 Jul 2010, 22:30 (Ref:2721595)   #953
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I'm concerned the pin might be pulled. We'll see what hits the ground after the 500 next year.
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If it goes away that will be that. For a while anyways.

Nascar will just take over the indy 500.

I think we could see the end of open wheel within 2 years. Or less.
Thanks, even though you paint a very bleak picture of the future.

Nascar take over the Indy 500, that's going to take me a while to my head around that one.
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If it goes away that will be that. For a while anyways.

Nascar will just take over the indy 500.

I think we could see the end of open wheel within 2 years. Or less.
That would be truly awful!
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That would be truly awful!
I don't believe that will happen, despite MStar's answer to my quetion and his gloomy answer. There is too much at stake for the likes of Mssrs. Andretti, Ganassi and Penske, to call it a day; racing is their raison d'etre.
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I hate to say it, but Mountanstar may be on to something. Remember when the CART unveiled the new Panoz? It seemed like the chassis was supposed to be CART's savior.

Now, having said that, it is definitely time for a chassis and design change in IndyCar. But I can't help but thinking how history has a tendency to repeat itself...
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I hate to say it, but Mountanstar may be on to something. Remember when the CART unveiled the new Panoz? It seemed like the chassis was supposed to be CART's savior.

Now, having said that, it is definitely time for a chassis and design change in IndyCar. But I can't help but thinking how history has a tendency to repeat itself...
To be politically and historically correct it was Champcar not CART who unveiled the DP0Z.

Dead right, is definitely time for a chassis and design change in IndyCar.

Bring on Lola; multiple chassis configuration and intergrated tub for IndyCar and Indy Lites: Simples.
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I'm concerned the pin might be pulled. We'll see what hits the ground after the 500 next year.
Yeah it will run until the centennial then there will be some PR blah blah about new traditions and Nascar in 2012.
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I don't believe that will happen, despite MStar's answer to my quetion and his gloomy answer. There is too much at stake for the likes of Mssrs. Andretti, Ganassi and Penske, to call it a day; racing is their raison d'etre.
Nah. Ganassi and Penske have had the indycar programs mooching off their nascar operations for years now. They are not going to be losing a revenue raiser.

However they both do like open wheel racing quite a lot.

But never trust them as they are very self centered people. They do what is right for them, not necessarily what is good for the sport on the whole. I've covered that before on this forum
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I'm not liking the Izod situation, I think they are taking their lumps. The Glen should be their "home race", 4 hrs. fom NYC. There hasn't been any of their celebrity party stuff going on that I can find. No talk about continuing with RHR. Looks like pullback time.
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I'm not liking the Izod situation, I think they are taking their lumps. The Glen should be their "home race", 4 hrs. fom NYC. There hasn't been any of their celebrity party stuff going on that I can find. No talk about continuing with RHR. Looks like pullback time.
I'll just say from my experience, corporates do not travel 4 hours from NYC into the woods for a race. Nor do celebs. To those types, Watkins Glen is a barnyard. And a far away one at that.

Not happening.
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I'm not liking the Izod situation, I think they are taking their lumps. The Glen should be their "home race", 4 hrs. fom NYC. There hasn't been any of their celebrity party stuff going on that I can find. No talk about continuing with RHR. Looks like pullback time.
In the Indy Star's "Pit Pass" column yesterday, there was an item that with IZOD's help, Ryan Hunter-Reay will be driving for Andretti for the rest of the season and that the "sponsor" is a charity that is raising money for cancer research. RHR's Mom apparently died from cancer.
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I'm not liking the Izod situation, I think they are taking their lumps. The Glen should be their "home race", 4 hrs. fom NYC. There hasn't been any of their celebrity party stuff going on that I can find. No talk about continuing with RHR. Looks like pullback time.
A little off topic, but Upstate New York and New York City each don't claim the other. I imagine that's true for the corporations in New York City as well. Based on their commercials, IZOD seems to be portraying "Long Beach" more than "Watkins Glen".

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The Bear heard Robin Miller knows what has been decided but is keeping his mouth shut. (Since when has that ever happened?) Allegedly, one of the seven ICONIC members told him. Cottman? Long?
If that's the case, good.

The "AAA pulling out of FIA" story at the top of the blog if true...very interesting for American and European auto racing by the way. During the Mosley kerfluffle a couple years ago, I read half of all membership dues money for the FIA comes courtesy of AAA.

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If that's the case, good.

The "AAA pulling out of FIA" story at the top of the blog if true...very interesting for American and European auto racing by the way. During the Mosley kerfluffle a couple years ago, I read half of all membership dues money for the FIA comes courtesy of AAA.
That would be excellent. Lola were puttong forward the idea of a common tub that could be used by IndyCars and Indy Lites.

If the AAA due pull out of the FIA that won't look good for new President Jean Todt. I don't think it will hurt the AAA at all, the ACO successfully left the FIA.
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If that's the case, good.

The "AAA pulling out of FIA" story at the top of the blog if true...very interesting for American and European auto racing by the way. During the Mosley kerfluffle a couple years ago, I read half of all membership dues money for the FIA comes courtesy of AAA.
That sounds to good to be true!
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The ICONIC group has been very, very tight-lipped...lots of rumors flying around the "Racing Capital of the World" these days...
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Remember...It's a "Rumor"

The ICONIC group has been very, very tight-lipped...lots of rumors flying around the "Racing Capital of the World" these days...
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This is something very different than what Lola wanted. Lola wanted a common car that would get built and sold by them for both series. This is a common tub and then the rest of the car would get built by whoever after buying the tub.

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This is something very different than what Lola wanted. Lola wanted a common car that would get built and sold by them for both series. This is a common tub and then the rest of the car would get built by whoever after buying the tub.
Indeed it is different, I was just pointing out Lola had the concept of a common tub but a tub that could be made by one manufacturer and the rest of car being built by the team, sounds more like the Delta-Wing concept meets Lola's concept.
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Ooh, lot's to infer there; let's hope it's a nice, big surprise and not some big, nasty, horrid one.
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Quite right Ryan, it sure didn't look like many people claimed Watkins Glen as a destination from NYC. There likely weren't many from Boston either, which if a longer trip.

"Additionally, New Hampshire Motor Speedway is strategically located in the Northeast, which fills a geographical gap in our schedule." Randy Bernard.

That implies a lot more than local support for a venue, so it isn't clear to me what fan base is going to be strategically attracted. Locals, same as the Glen?

It doesn't sound like they'll be coming from NYC in force, and neither will Izod. Which is one way the attendance at the Glen could have been improved, and why it will probably fall off the schedule.

The Izod pre-race party in Boston for the Indy 500 drew 400 people though...they'll be at Louden for sure. And as you correctly point out, Long Beach will continue as one of the few races that receives significant promotion or attendance.
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Indeed it is different, I was just pointing out Lola had the concept of a common tub but a tub that could be made by one manufacturer and the rest of car being built by the team, sounds more like the Delta-Wing concept meets Lola's concept.
No it's not. Lola's concept was not a common tub, it was a common car that they made which means it by default had a common tub. Yes, there's a common tub there, but there was a common tub on the Dallara, Swift, and BAT as well then. With due respect, you're looking at the situation completely wrong considering Lola's underlying business motives which was to have a monopoly on tub, car, wings, parts, everything.
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No it's not. Lola's concept was not a common tub, it was a common car that they made which means it by default had a common tub. Yes, there's a common tub there, but there was a common tub on the Dallara, Swift, and BAT as well then. With due respect, you're looking at the situation completely wrong considering Lola's underlying business motives which was to have a monopoly on tub, car, wings, parts, everything.
I don't believe I am wrong. Their proposal is to build a common tub that can be used by both IndyCar and Indy Lites teams, thus making it cheaper for Indy Lites teams to migrate to IndyCar, without having to buy a new chassis from another manufacturer.

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