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McLaren and Honda Back Again?
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I think this is a great piece of news...
I hope that it happens... |
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Honda build great engines for Indycar, and they know about turbo charging..
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They will probably be looking at supplying more than just one team, but it's good news nonetheless.
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Honda and F1 just sounds right...
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It wouldn't be the first time that McLaren's current drivers have been at the wheel of a McLaren Honda V6 turbo.
Oops, sorry that's a TAG Porsche! (Honda's in 88) Still, it's a V6 turbo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Kez...eature=related Last edited by Marbot; 19 Nov 2011 at 02:39. |
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None of this surpises me.
The McLaren-Honda combination was by far one of the most successful partnerships between a 'garagiste' and a major manufacturer. Ever. It can't get much better than the 1988-1992 era for Honda and they made a mess of their own car and team, with the Lucky-Strike project and in 1966-1968 with themselves and John Surtees. Any major manufacturer who teams up with a great engineering company like McLaren has a far better chance of success than going it alone, and McLaren and Honda know each other. The principals of both companies have done business together before. |
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Good point, maybe Mclaren can place young drivers with them. Would still like to see Paffet n green get a chance, got to be better than the likes of Pic. |
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Ahhh, but wait a minute, Hamilton did try out a McLaren Honda. Namely, his hero, Senna's car! He did it for Top Gear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmBl_...eature=related It would be good to Honda back in F1. McLaren and them have worked well together in the past. Plus, I suspect that Mercedes might like to put all their effort into their own team. |
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It's a relationship that makes sense. Reawakening a heroic relationship crowned in glory is a comparatively cost way of telling the world that Honda are back in business. Although people here are probably overestimating the aesthetic improvements that would come with such a deal! |
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Lets hope that the Honda engine has it's own sound as all the cars sound the same at the moment.. Last edited by JeremySmith; 19 Nov 2011 at 19:17. Reason: Spelling mistake... |
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I wonder what Button thinks of those rumours.
He's got very recent experience of Honda. When Honda last supplied Mclaren with the best engines on the grid, I would argue was 1990. Senna, when he tested the Mclaren in testing before the 1991 season, complained bitterly that both the team and engine had not done sufficient for the forthcoming season. Honda had introduced the V12 over the winter. After winning the first 4 races, everyone thought he was exaggerating, till the Williams finally came on song, then his words suddenly looked prophetic. As a final thought, Honda is a proud engineering company, their best engineers working on the F1 engines. Do the new regulations allow creativity, or will they be restricted as they are now regarding development? If so, I can't see the attraction for Honda. |
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From a marketing perspective, perhaps the McLaren operation would benefit from 'Honda' engines, while the other 2 may enjoy 'Acura' or 'Mugen' powerplants so as to keep the 'works' eggs in the McLaren basket...
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There is also the prospect of a great deal of syndergy between the two companies with Honda motorsport efforts recieving assistance from McLaren Applied Technologies, with honda cars using Mclaren electronics and the prospect of the two companies collaborating on advanced engineeringand environmental issues.
While McLaren may never produce a 'mass produced' car is it possible a Mclaren badged Honda may appear as an advanced version of a touring car of limited production with an exclusive nature and price...? |
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I would be happy with a McLaren Honda Accord
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Maybe it's more a case of McLaren getting Honda to pay for Mclaren's own engine which has been in the offing for the last couple of years....
In a way it would be a bit like the Tag/Porsche deal that McLaren 'arranged' |
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As many have said. If you continue to refine archaic Victorian age internal combustion engines, you are only holding off the future. Hydrogen powered cars in F1? For the same reason that there perhaps won't be full electric vehicles in F1 (the 'show'), probably not. What will F1 do then? But if they do come back to F1, I'm sure that they'll give it their best shot. Last edited by Marbot; 20 Nov 2011 at 01:28. |
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If Saward is right, there are great news! McLaren and Honda again...
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Based on recent developments there seems to be quite a bit of life left in more fuel efficient fossils. In any case the use of electricity for vehicle motivation is hardly new and I somehow doubt that hydrogen as a fuel will be a practical mass use solution on the road, let alone the track, within the next 20 or 30 years. Still, the water output might keep Bernie happy by imposing his idea of wet races. No need for sprinkler devices. Of course that assumes that Bernie will live forever and will not be locked up for some reason in the meantime. ETA: The upshot of the timescales it that from a marketing POV over the typical life span of an engine supply arrangement it probably still makes sense fo Honda to have their name on something. Unless the FIA settles on a kit engine and changes the spec dramatically every year - in which case it could all get a bit daft and people might start to see through the branding games. Last edited by grantp; 20 Nov 2011 at 03:05. |
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I agree that Hydrogen powered road cars are a very long way off. Not only is the technology very expensive, but the infrastructure required is going to be extremely costly and most Hydrogen is refined from fossil fuels in the first place. And having Hydrogen in a very large fuel tank at 5,000 PSI is a little bit off putting to say the least! Now, if Honda do come back into F1 it will be because they want to be 'seen' as a car manufacturer that knows a thing or two about efficiency. |
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