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Old 20 Dec 2012, 04:30 (Ref:3180271)   #1251
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Old 20 Dec 2012, 08:48 (Ref:3180324)   #1252
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wouldn't The Stig be classed as a super star driver?
I wouldn't call Ben Collins a Super Star Driver....
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Old 20 Dec 2012, 09:16 (Ref:3180330)   #1253
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I wouldn't call Ben Collins a Super Star Driver....
who said anything about Ben Collins?
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Old 20 Dec 2012, 09:17 (Ref:3180332)   #1254
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I wouldn't call Ben Collins a Super Star Driver....
He did!
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Old 20 Dec 2012, 09:20 (Ref:3180333)   #1255
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He did!
well Ben Collins is more well known then these drivers he claims are super stars. still don't know why Ben's name was brought up though?
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Old 20 Dec 2012, 09:37 (Ref:3180341)   #1256
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well Ben Collins is more well known then these drivers he claims are super stars. still don't know why Ben's name was brought up though?
No idea. On the local scene though, I know a young fella named Ben who rocked up to Puke not too long ago and drove the car he was to campaign for the Tier 1 season for the first time on the Friday practice. On the Saturday morning, he poled it by half a second ahead of a previous class Champion, then won all three races. He needs a bigger cheque book though.

Maybe then you'd know more about him...
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Old 20 Dec 2012, 09:46 (Ref:3180349)   #1257
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are we playing name that Ben game?

okay ummm... Harford?
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Old 20 Dec 2012, 09:51 (Ref:3180350)   #1258
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are we playing name that Ben game?

okay ummm... Harford?
Funny that 'cos it does reaffirm my point. Harford was TRS years ago. Much more recent...
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Old 20 Dec 2012, 09:57 (Ref:3180351)   #1259
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Old 20 Dec 2012, 10:18 (Ref:3180355)   #1260
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No idea. On the local scene though, I know a young fella named Ben who rocked up to Puke not too long ago and drove the car he was to campaign for the Tier 1 season for the first time on the Friday practice. On the Saturday morning, he poled it by half a second ahead of a previous class Champion, then won all three races. He needs a bigger cheque book though.

Maybe then you'd know more about him...
It's unfair even on Dallas to benchmark one's talent on Craig Innes.
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Old 20 Dec 2012, 10:20 (Ref:3180357)   #1261
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Dallas
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Old 20 Dec 2012, 10:59 (Ref:3180367)   #1262
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It's unfair even on Dallas to benchmark one's talent on Craig Innes.
Well Buzz, Graig's no slug. And I'm comparing one full season against one day, get my drift?
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Old 20 Dec 2012, 20:26 (Ref:3180529)   #1263
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Back to the Toyota's - does anyone know if they have had many/any updates since their launch in 2005?
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Old 20 Dec 2012, 23:40 (Ref:3180620)   #1264
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Back to the Toyota's - does anyone know if they have had many/any updates since their launch in 2005?
Better oiling system.
Better control brake pad

More expensive fuel and shorter range as a result
More expensive data aquisition
Newer spec. 'peakier' tyre
Tasteful camera pod on the roll hoop

Less kiwi drivers

And New this Year! Less interest in the support categories
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Old 20 Dec 2012, 23:45 (Ref:3180622)   #1265
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Better oiling system.
Better control brake pad

More expensive fuel and shorter range as a result
More expensive data aquisition
Newer spec. 'peakier' tyre
Tasteful camera pod on the roll hoop

Less kiwi drivers

And New this Year! Less interest in the support categories
Oh cool, cheers for that. You would have to say that last years drivers were pretty awesome, well some of them anyway. Marciallo and van asseldonk both did really well in F3, Cassidy ventured to Europe, Evans won GP3. Auer was top 3 in German F3, and Berthon was mid pack in GP2. Not bad...

I reckon its a good thing theres less kiwi's, at least we see good, close racing, with decent, future stars.
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Old 21 Dec 2012, 01:18 (Ref:3180639)   #1266
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This was just posted on the V8ST and V8 Challenge Cup Facebook pages regarding the NZV8's:

"An entirely new Board of directors has been overwhelmingly elected to NZ Vee Eight Entrants Group Ltd, the company representing the interests of NZV8 race car owners.

The previous directors stood down at the company’s AGM on 9th December and did not offer themselves for re-election.

The new Board comprises prominent long-term motor racing identities, Greg Lancaster and Lyall Williamson along with current V8 Challenge Cup Co-ordinator, Stephen Gillard.

They have been charged with:

1. Negotiating a multi-year agreement with V8 SuperTourers for NZV8s to be a major support category for V8 SuperTourers;
2. Ensuring parity between NZV8 cars;
3. Significantly reducing the cost of competing in NZV8s; and
4. Producing a long term category plan for consideration by NZV8 shareholders by 31 May 2013.

New Chairman, Greg Lancaster has spelt out the new Board’s prime aims as a re-emergence of major Tier 1 race meetings and to see NZV8s resume its original role as a high profile, but significantly lower cost, support race category.

The new Board has today concluded an agreement with V8 SuperTourers Ltd that will cement a mutually beneficial relationship which will see NZV8s become a major support category to V8 SuperTourers.

“Concurrently with reaching the agreement with V8 SuperTourers, communication with shareholders is being addressed, commencing with them being canvassed for their views on performance parity and competition costs reduction” said Lancaster.

Lancaster also outlined the exacting deadline for adoption by NZV8 shareholders of a new business plan by the end of May 2013.

He does however, not expect to see significant change on track until the later meetings of 2013 and with the first fruits of the new business plan in 2015. “We are, after all, only three weeks out from the first outing of 2013 at Teretonga” said Lancaster.

As part of the arrangements agreed with V8 SuperTourers today, all VEEGA’s legal proceedings have been resolved with immediate effect.

V8 SuperTourers has thanked the new Board for renewing relations between the two categories. “We look forward to working together for the good of the sport” says V8 SuperTourers Managing Director, Mark Petch.

“NZV8 is delighted to have established this rapport with V8 SuperTourers who are leading New Zealand motorsport into a new era” says Lancaster.

“The founders of V8 Supertourers have done a remarkable job to develop their idea from the drawing board to what we see today in only two years and their efforts have dramatically raised the profile of V8 racing in this country. Their efforts have hugely benefitted New Zealand motorsport”.
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Old 21 Dec 2012, 01:39 (Ref:3180644)   #1267
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This was just posted on the V8ST and V8 Challenge Cup Facebook pages regarding the NZV8's:

"An entirely new Board of directors has been overwhelmingly elected to NZ Vee Eight Entrants Group Ltd, the company representing the interests of NZV8 race car owners.

The previous directors stood down at the company’s AGM on 9th December and did not offer themselves for re-election.

The new Board comprises prominent long-term motor racing identities, Greg Lancaster and Lyall Williamson along with current V8 Challenge Cup Co-ordinator, Stephen Gillard.

They have been charged with:

1. Negotiating a multi-year agreement with V8 SuperTourers for NZV8s to be a major support category for V8 SuperTourers;
2. Ensuring parity between NZV8 cars;
3. Significantly reducing the cost of competing in NZV8s; and
4. Producing a long term category plan for consideration by NZV8 shareholders by 31 May 2013.

New Chairman, Greg Lancaster has spelt out the new Board’s prime aims as a re-emergence of major Tier 1 race meetings and to see NZV8s resume its original role as a high profile, but significantly lower cost, support race category.

The new Board has today concluded an agreement with V8 SuperTourers Ltd that will cement a mutually beneficial relationship which will see NZV8s become a major support category to V8 SuperTourers.

“Concurrently with reaching the agreement with V8 SuperTourers, communication with shareholders is being addressed, commencing with them being canvassed for their views on performance parity and competition costs reduction” said Lancaster.

Lancaster also outlined the exacting deadline for adoption by NZV8 shareholders of a new business plan by the end of May 2013.

He does however, not expect to see significant change on track until the later meetings of 2013 and with the first fruits of the new business plan in 2015. “We are, after all, only three weeks out from the first outing of 2013 at Teretonga” said Lancaster.

As part of the arrangements agreed with V8 SuperTourers today, all VEEGA’s legal proceedings have been resolved with immediate effect.

V8 SuperTourers has thanked the new Board for renewing relations between the two categories. “We look forward to working together for the good of the sport” says V8 SuperTourers Managing Director, Mark Petch.

“NZV8 is delighted to have established this rapport with V8 SuperTourers who are leading New Zealand motorsport into a new era” says Lancaster.

“The founders of V8 Supertourers have done a remarkable job to develop their idea from the drawing board to what we see today in only two years and their efforts have dramatically raised the profile of V8 racing in this country. Their efforts have hugely benefitted New Zealand motorsport”.
A positive development that is good news if purely for the end to the litigation between VEEGA and ST.

It does leave MSNZ in an interesting position as it appears that the NZV8 Series has decided to move across to ST as a support category. Where does that leave MSNZ and their promoted NZV8s?

Maybe this is finally enough of a message to get MSNZ out of trying to be involved in the commercial promotion of the sport and stick to what they should be doing - governance, regulation and administration.
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Old 21 Dec 2012, 01:40 (Ref:3180645)   #1268
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so cc will change their name to NZV8s and NZV8s will run in summer under a different name, right?
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Old 21 Dec 2012, 01:51 (Ref:3180647)   #1269
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good to see common sense finally prevailing.
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Old 21 Dec 2012, 02:16 (Ref:3180652)   #1270
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I read that as them working towards all NZV8 rounds - or most of them - being run at V8ST events. The way being cleared for common sense after the previous incumbents resigned from the VEEGA board.

So NZV8s as we know it is dead, or dying, and will in time become the major support class for V8ST.

Suspect Inky won't be carrying NZV8 signage on his car for too much longer lol.

Well done V8ST. Common sense prevails and the competitors who own the cars can look ahead and see light at the end of the tunnel.
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Old 21 Dec 2012, 02:18 (Ref:3180653)   #1271
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This is the best xmas present i've had in ages!

Finally they are talking and working together.

Finally the litigation is over

Finally there is recognistion of what the ST class has done for motorsport in this country.

And finally we will see a strong support V8 category for the ST's

Finally, common sense has prevailed.

Merry Christmas all
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Old 21 Dec 2012, 02:27 (Ref:3180658)   #1272
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actually one more thing, what does this mean for the TV package?

Now i realise the TRS etc will still be screened on Prime/Sky (which based on an ad i saw last nite is supposed to kick off today??? yet i can't find any listings on sky....)

But with the NZV8's going to ST, one would assume that TV3 will automatically pick up those rights as part of their agreement to screen challenge cup?
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In relation to what has just gone on with the above media release, I thought it somewhat revealing to read the President of MSNZ's Christmas message released today.

I thought that MSNZ was meant to have a constitutional obligation to encourage and support participation in the sport on an implied non-partisan basis. However the message (below) doesn't even mention ST in his review of the year - as if they don't exist. Irrespective of whether you support ST or not they have been a significant participant in the sport this year and to totally ignore them paints a pretty clear picture of attitudinal issues within MSNZ.

Christmas is just around the corner, so hopefully everyone has a chance to put their feet up and reflect on another fantastic year in motorsport.

A lot has happened in 2012, with some extraordinary achievements from Kiwi drivers – notably young Mitch Evans winning the GP3.

The Summer Series is now finalised and guaranteed to be a brilliant spectacle. Headlined by the NZV8s and TRS again, there’s a wide range of support categories, designed to appeal to everyone’s interests.

The all-new TLX car is set to dazzle V8 fans, while the TRS will be another fiercely contested championship, with reigning champ Nick Cassidy returning to defend his title. There’s more detail in this month’s issue.

Sky TV and Prime deals have been secured for the TRS and NZV8s, so fans who can’t make it trackside, can see the action from the comfort of their homes. Each round of the TRS and NZV8s will broadcast on SKY TV on the following Friday and Sunday evenings, respectively. Prime will also screen ‘free-to-air’ coverage during the subsequent weekends.

Also next month is the NZ Festival of Motor Racing – a huge weekend for historic racing, celebrating the life of Denny Hulme, one of NZ Motorsport’s greats.

Momentum is building for a stronger showing of women in motorsport, with a group meeting last month to discuss ways on increasing participation. There seems to be a perception that motorsport is just a ‘boys’ club’; however, women already play a huge role in our sport, so we’re encouraging more to get involved.

The Hill Climb season continues to shine; this time a huge congratulations goes out to the Gisborne Car Club for putting on a fabulous weekend. I look forward to seeing how the next event pans out in Bay of Plenty.

I am hearing some stories around car development for next year’s rally championship, so it will be interesting to see what comes out to compete.

Member Clubs should have also received the first report on the Governance Review and I encourage everyone to provide feedback, with their ideas and views. This review should determine the future governance model of our sport for a number of years, so it’s extremely important that you contribute and let the review panel know what you think.

I hope everyone has a relaxing Christmas period with their family and friends, and I hope to catch up with you at one of the many events in the new year.

Shayne Harris, President
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Old 21 Dec 2012, 03:16 (Ref:3180660)   #1274
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completely agree Roger, without launching into a full scale attack, within this current administration there is obviously some individuals who hold a strong bias against V8ST. It is disappointing that the presidents message awkwardly avoids mentioning V8ST in any capacity, as I personally feel that it is probably the most publicly recognised category in NZ motorsport at this point in time.

But then again, I didn't expect any different.
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Old 21 Dec 2012, 03:22 (Ref:3180662)   #1275
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In relation to what has just gone on with the above media release, I thought it somewhat revealing to read the President of MSNZ's Christmas message released today...
I think his ignoring V8ST is just plainly ridiculous? You would have to say his feet are firmly planted on one side of the fence, and that is poor form IMO.
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