IMSA USCC in 2016 and 2017 - Page 216

Akrapovic · 29 Jul 2017, 13:15 (Ref:3755442)

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Originally Posted by joeb

That is a good strategy, have 2-4 different models and run whichever looks the strongest on the bop sheet!

This is always a problem with bop, and didn't Racers Group cite the poor bop as a reason for ditching their Porsche campaign earlier this season?

They did. I think part of the problem wasn't the raw speed of the car, but rather having to setup the car in a way that made it difficult for the Am drivers to feel safe driving it.

Maelochs · 29 Jul 2017, 13:48 (Ref:3755450)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

They did. I think part of the problem wasn't the raw speed of the car, but rather having to setup the car in a way that made it difficult for the Am drivers to feel safe driving it.

Pretty rich. Maybe I can try telling my wife I need an Audi R8 because I am not a good enough driver, see how that works.

Akrapovic · 29 Jul 2017, 13:54 (Ref:3755451)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

Pretty rich. Maybe I can try telling my wife I need an Audi R8 because I am not a good enough driver, see how that works.

Maybe, but your wife might tell you the Toyota Corolla would be a more suitable car.

The problem with making it dangerous for an Am is they won't want to drive it. If they don't want to drive it, the team aren't going to get money for it, and won't be able to continue racing. The whole reason GT3s are meant to be easy to drive is so they can be run by Ams safely. If you take that comfort away, you'll get more accidents, less Ams and less cars.

Maelochs · 29 Jul 2017, 17:15 (Ref:3755553)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

The problem with making it dangerous for an Am is they won't want to drive it. If they don't want to drive it, the team aren't going to get money for it, and won't be able to continue racing. The whole reason GT3s are meant to be easy to drive is so they can be run by Ams safely. If you take that comfort away, you'll get more accidents, less Ams and less cars.

yeah, i was jsut trying to be funny. I understand that there was no fast set-up for the Porsche which was also a safe set-up.

Akrapovic · 29 Jul 2017, 17:32 (Ref:3755555)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

yeah, i was jsut trying to be funny. I understand that there was no fast set-up for the Porsche which was also a safe set-up.

Apparently my sense of humour wasn't good enough to pick up the funny.

chernaudi · 29 Jul 2017, 18:00 (Ref:3755582)

And that seems to be a recurrent theme recently in both IMSA and PWC. Am drivers not being able to get the best of out a particular car because in order to do so they have to either drive above their ability or drive a car that doesn't suit them.

I've heard that the McLaren MP4-12 and the derived 650 GT3 isn't very am friendly, not is the Porsche 911 when certain things are done to it.

TF110 · 29 Jul 2017, 20:51 (Ref:3755658)

Wonder if the tires are part of the problem as well?

AoB Special Stage · 29 Jul 2017, 21:23 (Ref:3755675)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Wonder if the tires are part of the problem as well?

My experience with Conti race tyres is as much.

Dyson Mazda · 30 Jul 2017, 22:45 (Ref:3756208)

Here is the new VFR Liger

https://twitter.com/scunleashed/stat...47849791127553

Also it appears that Risi may be switching to GTD

Maelochs · 30 Jul 2017, 23:35 (Ref:3756213)

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

... it appears that Risi may be switching to GTD

Yeah ... Waaay less collision damage in GTD.

Matt · 31 Jul 2017, 02:15 (Ref:3756233)

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

Here is the new VFR Liger

https://twitter.com/scunleashed/stat...47849791127553

Also it appears that Risi may be switching to GTD

That was the car they planned on entering in addition to the GTLM car at CoTA.

hondafan37 · 31 Jul 2017, 04:09 (Ref:3756241)

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

Here is the new VFR Liger

https://twitter.com/scunleashed/stat...47849791127553

Also it appears that Risi may be switching to GTD

GTD and PWC? But when? In which race?
For now they only have 2 Ferrari GT3 in the entry list of the next Crevetic 24 hours of COTA

Mike Hedlund · 31 Jul 2017, 16:37 (Ref:3756453)

You guys do understand that they run customer programs rite? Lot's of wealthy people buy race cars (even current models) but never race them.

-mike

Akrapovic · 31 Jul 2017, 16:41 (Ref:3756458)

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Originally Posted by Mike Hedlund

You guys do understand that they run customer programs rite? Lot's of wealthy people buy race cars (even current models) but never race them.

-mike

That's most likely what it is, but Risi did appear on a GTD entry list at one point and was removed. It's been teased a few times that they might reappear. Like you say, it's probably a customer program, but it's a possibility (and wishful thinking!)

Mike Hedlund · 31 Jul 2017, 17:24 (Ref:3756465)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

That's most likely what it is, but Risi did appear on a GTD entry list at one point and was removed. It's been teased a few times that they might reappear. Like you say, it's probably a customer program, but it's a possibility (and wishful thinking!)

Ya I've heard they're planning a GTD entry as well, but it's tough to know if that's just a customer or a Risi entry proper. They can't simply move to GTD since they've only used Pro driver lineups in the normal Risi entries... but maybe they have a customer who wants to run.

Because of the cost difference (negligible) and the limitation on driver lineups, I don't see why they'd simply drop down to GTD -- unless someone else was footing the bill.

-mike

broadrun96 · 31 Jul 2017, 18:30 (Ref:3756492)

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Originally Posted by Mike Hedlund

Ya I've heard they're planning a GTD entry as well, but it's tough to know if that's just a customer or a Risi entry proper. They can't simply move to GTD since they've only used Pro driver lineups in the normal Risi entries... but maybe they have a customer who wants to run.

Because of the cost difference (negligible) and the limitation on driver lineups, I don't see why they'd simply drop down to GTD -- unless someone else was footing the bill.

-mike

They reported to Dagys, back in June I belive, that they were taking delivery of a GTD spec Ferrari for a collector who was interested in it racing, but not personally racing it. Sounded to me like delivery of a car for a guy to have it run on the track and gain some history, and he found a great crew to run a Ferrari. Think as Mike said, with the right customer/driver lineup the car will see the track. If not, that collector has a very nice track day toy from a great team for that car.

The cost difference between GTLM and GTD is that small? Is that the running costs or all in, car, crew, tires, etc?

chernaudi · 31 Jul 2017, 18:36 (Ref:3756494)

The 488 GT3 and GTE/GTLM were designed so they can be easily converted from one spec to another.

IIRC, it's mostly electronics and some aero bits that are the big differences. Certainly not a huge cost difference between the two specs of the 488.

Victor_RO · 31 Jul 2017, 18:40 (Ref:3756498)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

The 488 GT3 and GTE/GTLM were designed so they can be easily converted from one spec to another.

IIRC, it's mostly electronics and some aero bits that are the big differences. Certainly not a huge cost difference between the two specs of the 488.

The JMW Ferrari that won GTE-Am at Le Mans this year was bought off the line as a GT3 car.

Damian Baldi · 31 Jul 2017, 18:56 (Ref:3756500)

VFR Ligier

in french

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/deb...lorida-racing/

broadrun96 · 31 Jul 2017, 19:44 (Ref:3756515)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

The 488 GT3 and GTE/GTLM were designed so they can be easily converted from one spec to another.

IIRC, it's mostly electronics and some aero bits that are the big differences. Certainly not a huge cost difference between the two specs of the 488.

In fact Risi said it is cheaper to upgrade than to buy the GTLM car, and then you have a resale value package with 2 specs.

**Adam43** · 31 Jul 2017, 19:45 (Ref:3756516)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

The JMW Ferrari that won GTE-Am at Le Mans this year was bought off the line as a GT3 car.

Was that the example where it was cheaper to buy the GT3 car and the kit to convert it than it was to buy the GTE? Or am I thinking of something else?

chernaudi · 31 Jul 2017, 20:03 (Ref:3756521)

There doesn't seem to be a ton of difference and probably good value for money if you can get the seemingly slightly cheaper GT3 spec and get the GTE/GTLM conversion kit if it cost about the same just to get the GTE car.

And as I believe was touched upon, you do have to consider resale as well, as opposed to just retail. And if someone just wants the GT3 car, and you got the GTE parts, you have spares if you have the GTE/GTLM version, or maybe you can sell the spares to a willing customer, too.

JHamilton · 31 Jul 2017, 20:12 (Ref:3756524)

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Originally Posted by Damian Baldi

VFR Ligier

in french

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/deb...lorida-racing/

If Florida was cool, the flags on the dive planes would be too.

**joeb** · 1 Aug 2017, 02:06 (Ref:3756572)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

If Florida was cool, the flags on the dive planes would be too.

Florida is cool, well the parts around an airfield in the south and a part on the ocean in the east, and well i guess the beaches are pretty cool too.

JHamilton · 1 Aug 2017, 02:17 (Ref:3756575)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Florida is cool, well the parts around an airfield in the south and a part on the ocean in the east, and well i guess the beaches are pretty cool too.

How many faces have to be eaten off before we cut ties joeb? How many?

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