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21 Dec 2005, 14:48 (Ref:1488105)
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Bryan do not understand how you can assume this.My records show 21-10asAM178 BT21-11 asAM200. BT21-12 as AM185.
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21 Dec 2005, 18:28 (Ref:1488226)
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Ted,
I was afraid it wouldn't be that simple. Oh well. I purchased this car from Dan Longacre in Dan Point, CA. I will email Dan and try to find out who he got it from. It was fun researching Kurt's history anyway. Thanks, AL |
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21 Dec 2005, 21:44 (Ref:1488359)
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Good morning Ted,
I am assuming nothing , simply looking at the fact that this time for a few chassis numbers it may be that they all came out with very close and consistent AM number to plate number sequences. I take it you have nothing on BT21-8 / AM number. |
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22 Dec 2005, 09:19 (Ref:1488552)
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Bryan. Do you mean the the Lamplough F2 car.If so ,no I havnt.BT21-9 is AM 175. TED
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23 Dec 2005, 12:27 (Ref:1489220)
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Ted,
Do you have an AM number match by any chance for my BT-12-23? Regards, |
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23 Dec 2005, 12:29 (Ref:1489221)
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Apologies, that of course is (1967) BT-21, ch. no. 23.
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23 Dec 2005, 15:38 (Ref:1489329)
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No. Would be interested what you know about the cars history.
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24 Dec 2005, 01:56 (Ref:1489540)
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So Ted, any idea what the chassis number is for my BT21 - AM177?
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2 Jan 2006, 07:26 (Ref:1493254)
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Hi fellas,
I'm new to this so give me a break if I stuff up. Talking to Ron T of Brabham some time ago, he told me that the chassis number and the AM numbers had no direct correlation. Arch made the frames and just stacked them up, and as the were needed they were just pulled at random. I guess you have got to believe the boss! Bryan, you will be pleased to know that contrary to popular belief, the BT21 #48 / AM199 car is nearly finished and you should have a log book application very soon. History of the car pre mid seventies when it was sold by Lou Pavesi in the USA still unknown, other than the Frank Williams ownership as a roller with Mk4 box when new. Also Bryan, the Costin-Nathan sports racer arrived in Botany Bay on the weekend. Just another piece of something different to liven up the M&O grids! I'm enjoying this so keep it up guys. Bruce Mansell, in Sydney. |
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2 Jan 2006, 09:39 (Ref:1493305)
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Give you a break??!!
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18 Jan 2006, 09:13 (Ref:1503606)
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Hi guys
I appear to have stuffed up something in my records and would appreciate your advice. Frank Williams took a Brabham out to Tasman in 1969 for Malcolm Guthrie. I have it in my notes as BT23C/12 with a FVA but I'm told by impeccable sources (Bryan and David) that it was a BT21B. The "FVA" may even turn out to have been a Vegantune twin-cam so I've really made a mess of this one. Can anyone tell me more about this BT21B? Do we know where it came from or where it went or its chassis number? And was it really a FVA? Thanks Allen |
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18 Jan 2006, 11:14 (Ref:1503675)
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For the benefit of ten-tenthers other than Allen...
Guthrie's Tasman BT21B was c/no 24, fitted with a twincam engine (not an FVA) Don't know its history before then or immediately after, but it turned up in UK historic racing about ten years ago with Bob Birrell squeezed into its cockpit |
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18 Jan 2006, 13:04 (Ref:1503762)
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Thanks David.
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18 Jan 2006, 13:20 (Ref:1503769)
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Echo?
No deja vu!
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18 Jan 2006, 14:23 (Ref:1503806)
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I have the guthrie 21b as chassis 14.Guthrie sold the car to matt spitzley who ran a team with henry ford junior. the car ended up back in ireland in the mid 80s was raced by bob birrell and it now raced by richard kendall.
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18 Jan 2006, 14:33 (Ref:1503812)
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Hi Ted
What did he sell it to Spitzley for? Still with its twin cam as a Formula B or did it return to F3 spec? Interesting that you agree on the Bob Birrell bit but not on its chassis number. As you're typing again, does that mean the cast is off? Allen |
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18 Jan 2006, 14:33 (Ref:1503813)
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18 Jan 2006, 14:36 (Ref:1503815)
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18 Jan 2006, 21:20 (Ref:1504022)
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Allen,
Yes it was fitted with a Vegantune Ford Twin-cam , not an FVA , so 0 out of 2 . Regards Bryan. |
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18 Jan 2006, 23:07 (Ref:1504099)
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19 Jan 2006, 09:42 (Ref:1504276)
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David. Done it again !!! YES ITS 24.Im not doing this anymore until Im back with 2 hands.Alan Matt ran it as an FB car just as it came from Guthrie.Yes plaster removed yesterday now in even more pain!!!!!
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21 Jan 2006, 06:30 (Ref:1505730)
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I have BT21-49 AM frame #299.
It was sold to Frank Williams (the Sir Frank Williams) ex factory complete with Hewland gearbox but without engine. The ownership from then to around 1975 is what I am after. It was sold then with Lotus Ford twin cam power FB guise by a race car dealer in the USA. It's history after that is well documented. Bruce Mansell |
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23 Jan 2006, 12:35 (Ref:1507285)
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Bruce,
You have me a bit confused,do you own BT21-48 on frame AM 199 and BT21-49 on frame AM 299 ? Regards, Ian |
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17 Feb 2006, 09:01 (Ref:1524871)
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I am seeking help with the history of a Brabham BT21....AM288
Back in August last year this note was posted on this thread. "At the Historic Races at Queensland Raceway last week-end, a BT-21C was advertised for sale as:- "1968 Brabham BT21C, ex-Philippe de Lespinay (USA), ex-Russ Baldwin (USA), unwanted restoration project." Bryan Miller told me of the car and I ended up buying it. I have started on its restoration. Already the frame has had around 60 hours of work on it. It was bent and twisted very badly. It had evidence of some basic repairs at some time. In speaking with Bill Schlossnagel, who worked on the car in Russell Baldwin's ownership, he told me that he had replaced a couple of tubes, but that Russell did not go on with it. He still had a record of the car being in his workshop almost 20 years ago and had recorded a number of BT21C-14 but with the 14 crossed out and a 12 written beside it. However -12 is recorded as belonging to Nereo Dizane and lives here in Australia. Bill doesn't remember where these numbers came from. Russell does remember checking with a Brabham historian in the UK and being told that -12 was a car in existence in Australia I have spoken with Philippe, Russell and another subsequent owner John Delane. Philippe told me he bought the car around 1984 to remove the gearbox and some other parts and sold the rest on. He said the car was light blue when raced as a single seater in the US and he bought the original bodywork for it in his ownership and that now remains with the car. It came to him as a sports-racer with an ugly yellow and red body, which he threw away. At that time John Hafkenschiel inspected it in Philippe's workshop and recorded that the AM No. was 288 and that it was a BT21-C, there was no chassis plate attached to the car. Philippe bought the car from the Northwest area, and there is a tag on the throttle cable with an instrument company in Portland Oregon on it, which would indicate this. Philippe remembers that it wasn't raced by anyone of great note, in his opinion. Russell Baldwin did some research on the car that noted previous owners but this now appears to have been lost and Russell doesn't remember any of the details. In 2001 Russell sold the car to John Delane with the help of Jim Hall. After John sold the car, it came here to Australia and I subsequently bought it. Any help anyone can give with the car's history would be very much appreciated Ed Holly |
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19 Feb 2006, 08:52 (Ref:1526090)
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Sorry Ed I have looked at my list and have no no AM288 listed. Its in the right sequence for a BT21.
This thread now locked - see here:- http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80407 JT Last edited by John Turner; 12 Mar 2006 at 10:57. Reason: See note attached to post! |
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