Pre 93 Touring Car Series given Championship Status for 2008

[chunterer]

Yeah I thought the Sunbeam was Grp 2 as well, up against Grp 4 Escorts, TR7's and Chevettes etc..

I might be missing something here but surely the 635 and the SD1 Vitesse in Grp A form ought to be 2 of the main illustrative cars for a Pre '93 Touring car series?

I'd like to see that ex Eggenberger car out that someone posted in the 635 thread in History - those are the sorts of restored originals that aren't appearing!!

That Bastos car in NZ would be another brilliant example of the sorts of cars that ouught to be out there running!!

I know there's cost implications but unlike the 60's stuff there's a marked lack of proper period cars from the 80's actually running at the moment if i'm not mistaken.

Hiow can the organisers, or us on here, encourage pukka Grp A cars out of their dusty garages?

[Al Weyman]

Its more loosly based on Group 1.5 not Group A, the 'Touring Car' bit is a bit of a misnomer. Group A cars/parts are generally outside the permitted regulations.

Alternately I think CSCC are to start a Group 2 challenge for 2008 which would be more akin to what you are requesting and would allow more opportunity for those with money to burn to start doing so, this championship (Pre-93's) is (IMHO) wisely aimed at the less well heeled amoungst us (or the well heeled who want to keep it that way ), but not sure when the cut off date is for the Group 2 challenge, probably a lot earlier than 93.

[jonners]

Originally Posted by chunterer

I might be missing something here but surely the 635 and the SD1 Vitesse in Grp A form ought to be 2 of the main illustrative cars for a Pre '93 Touring car series?

I'd like to see that ex Eggenberger car out that someone posted in the 635 thread in History - those are the sorts of restored originals that aren't appearing!!

'Twas me who posted up details of the Eggenberger car.

The point I've been banging on about is the BMW M635csi NOT the 635csi nor £60k worth of 3.0 csl.

My point is that the M635csi was not homologated for professional works supported racing in period but why should that stop it racing in amateur racing now??

I can see from what's been said that subject to approval anything can race - but why have the 5000 rule at all then? I think a lot of people look at the regs and assume non eligibility. Why is the 5000 rule there?

I can see why ruling out Alpinas or AMG Mercs or Andy Rouse Cosworths might be a good idea but most of the mods if not all made to those cars will be permitted under the regs or exceeded by racers anyway (engine transplants aside)

[Al Weyman]

I can see from what's been said that subject to approval anything can race - but why have the 5000 rule at all then? I think a lot of people look at the regs and assume non eligibility. Why is the 5000 rule there

Funny I have been asking the same question for long time as I too believe, in fact I know it has deterred some. I have also been asking for a list of cars outside the criteria to be published with the regs and it made clear that this can be added to and indeed as was pointed out when this was raised at the AGM on SUnday, certain cars that fit the criteria can also be subtracted or restrictions imposed.

[andy97]

Originally Posted by Al Weyman

Its more loosly based on Group 1.5 not Group A, the 'Touring Car' bit is a bit of a misnomer. Group A cars/parts are generally outside the permitted regulations.

Alternately I think CSCC are to start a Group 2 challenge for 2008 which would be more akin to what you are requesting and would allow more opportunity for those with money to burn to start doing so, this championship (Pre-93's) is (IMHO) wisely aimed at the less well heeled amoungst us (or the well heeled who want to keep it that way ), but not sure when the cut off date is for the Group 2 challenge, probably a lot earlier than 93.

Not sure about a "Group 2 Challenge" - I was at the CSCC Drivers meeting on sunday & it wasn't mentioned. That's not to say Group 2 cars, and others like them, won't be welcomed within the CSCC's series' because they may be, but the CSCC ethos is firmly against cheque book racing and having one or two cars dominate. IMO The CSCC certainly doesn't wish to see its racing dominated by people with "money to burn"; it runs its series for all competitors to enjoy themselves. Perhaps Torquewench could comment, if she's lurking.

CSCC has its well known & very succesful original "Swinging Sixties" series, "Tin Tops" for saloons & hatch backs up to 2 litres and "Future Classics" for Sports & GT cars (and presumably those saloons & hatchbacks that are over 2 litres) from the 70's & 80s. The tech regs of all CSCC series are fairly limited (by design) to allow scope for various cars to run, but as series', cars do run "by invitation". Best to have a look at the CSCC web site.

[Peter Mallett]

Masters 70s Saloons is running with Group 2 and Group 1 machinery next season not CSCC.

[Al Weyman]

Sorry Pete you are of course as usual correct, there is so many of them now its getting confusing and maybe a tad silly!

[TorqueWench]

Originally Posted by andy97

CSCC has its well known & very succesful original "Swinging Sixties" series, "Tin Tops" for saloons & hatch backs up to 2 litres and "Future Classics" for Sports & GT cars (and presumably those saloons & hatchbacks that are over 2 litres) from the 70's & 80s. The tech regs of all CSCC series are fairly limited (by design) to allow scope for various cars to run, but as series', cars do run "by invitation". Best to have a look at the CSCC web site.

CSCC will run Swinging 60s, Tin Tops and Future Classics in 2008. Regs for the new season will be finalised at the committee meeting in early December, and posted on the website after that - they will not change hugely. If you have any queries about regs (for your winter rebuild etc) then please Pm me or telephoone the office. The calendar will be on the website tomorrow (including actual dates, not just the circuit list that's there at the moment). If pre 93 cars are eligible for Future Classics they are welcome, but you might want to talk to Richard Wos (or email from website) if you have queries.
Roll on the new season!