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Old 21 Dec 2010, 11:49 (Ref:2806884)   #1
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BBC "Exclusive": Pat Head & Rory Byrne propose "biggest ... change since 1983" in '13

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/9307861.stm

OK, this has been rumoured for a while, but this does make it look more likely to happen. They appear to be good rule changes, my only concern is if the cars actually are five seconds a lap slower, it may devalue F1 - perhaps some tweaks to keep them nearer to current pace would be a better idea.

One possible error is that surely Jo Bauer would sign the rules off before handing to the teams, not Charlie Whiting?
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 12:01 (Ref:2806889)   #2
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Much smaller front and rear wings;
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Tyres will remain large and chunky to ensure cornering speeds remain high.
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Now listen up to these two, FIA and get sensible. No circus regulations just Patrick-Head common-sense please.
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 12:12 (Ref:2806895)   #3
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Smaller wings, less downforce and fat tyres, great. Full throttle restricted to 50% of a lap, not so great.
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 12:30 (Ref:2806904)   #4
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I'm not convinced ground effect is the answer

I hope they're not just doing this because "it was good in the 80s". That is totally the wrong way to go about it
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 12:41 (Ref:2806914)   #5
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 12:58 (Ref:2806923)   #6
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That comment regarding restricting full throttle to 50% just means that the cars are supposed to be harder to drive. Ie, Eau Rouge might not be easy flat anymore. That would be a good thing and would favor the better drivers over the kids who walk straight in from lower formula and get on the pace straigth away.
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 13:04 (Ref:2806927)   #7
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That is what is being proposed, although it appears some people may have read in to that that it means some form of push to pass type system over and above KERS. What Andrew Benson describes it as is

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Less throttle time will be possible with less downforce anyway.

This new rules package looks great (coupled with the 2013 powertrains), my only concern is if the cars are too slow, in which case I suppose with turbos it would be easier to crank up the power. Ideally the FIA would use these principles as a general blueprint for how single seaters should be, I suppose.
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 13:16 (Ref:2806932)   #8
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It does look like a great idea. Reducing the cars dependance on aero is one of the most important areas to adress in order to promote overtaking. I guess the question is how much of this will actually see the light of day. Similar ideas to these have been floating around for a long time and never seem to come to fruition. People who spent a lot on windtunnels don't tend to like talk about decreasing aero much :-)
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This new rules package looks great (coupled with the 2013 powertrains), my only concern is if the cars are too slow, in which case I suppose with turbos it would be easier to crank up the power.
Leading to decreased reliability when the proposal is to reduce the number of engines to 4 eventually!
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They could always not go for the four engines in 2014, or deliver some of the extra power by increasing the KERS (maybe go for a continuous baseline level whenever the throttle is applied*, still with the option of the tactical KERS).

*Theoretically a team could use the KERS throughout the lap to produce a diddy bit of power, the maximum is only on the rate, not the time, but it isn't as useful as the kick it provides now).
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Great changes if true, though like most "great" changes they always get watered down. Remember the 2005 regs - Antony Davidson saying the Honda was like driving a big formula ford after all the aero cuts? 70% aero cut? More like 20%, which was soon made up over the 2005 season.

I just hope they make the cars wider too.
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OK, this has been rumoured for a while, but this does make it look more likely to happen. They appear to be good rule changes, my only concern is if the cars actually are five seconds a lap slower, it may devalue F1 - perhaps some tweaks to keep them nearer to current pace would be a better idea.

One possible error is that surely Jo Bauer would sign the rules off before handing to the teams, not Charlie Whiting?
Great if it happens !!!
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Great changes if true, though like most "great" changes they always get watered down. Remember the 2005 regs - Antony Davidson saying the Honda was like driving a big formula ford after all the aero cuts? 70% aero cut? More like 20%, which was soon made up over the 2005 season.
Not to mention the changes for last year when all the lost downforce was quickly made up by things like the DDD and more on top to such an extent that Vettel's Q2 lap at Silverstone was the fastest quali lap on that layout ever

In a recent discussion, Pat Symonds dismissed the idea of ground effect helping overtaking as a paddock myth - he says they did investigations in the OWG and found that it created a wake that made it difficult for cars behind to follow, essentially like the DDD
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Perhaps we might reach a point where the speed of the car is actually down to the mechanical grip of the chassis rather than the pure amount of downforce a car can generate...?
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Big tyres and less downforce from wings is good. I hope that they don't ruin it all with too much elec-trickery.
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