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Old 17 Apr 2017, 22:11 (Ref:3727420)   #91
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Mad Mark doing rolling starts and Pat Doran with a watering can
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Old 17 Apr 2017, 22:25 (Ref:3727423)   #92
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Think Mad Mark had a clutch problem so in one heat and at the first of several attempts to get the Supercar final going he was rolling when they got the start sequence going. Also Pat was out with a walkie talkie directing the track watering narrowly avoiding the water spray. I sat down for 5mins of the 20min lunch break, attacked an Easter egg, looked up towards the chicane and there's Pat with a watering can!!

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Old 17 Apr 2017, 22:47 (Ref:3727424)   #93
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Yep got to say i fully agree with everyone else, at times it felt very much like amateur happy hour with sum of things that were going on. My biggest frustration was the time taken to clear broken cars, having 2 flat beds but only one forklift was never going to work.

Also what ever was going on with the start system needs looking at ASAP. If there was an ongoing problem, just ditch the lights and use a good old flag to get things going, it cant be that difficult.

Racing wise, again i agree with everyone else, the S1600 and Super Nationals were the best from the day, tho there is sumthing very odd with Ovenden's Clio as going round North Bend the inside front wheel was at least a few inches off the ground but the car looked like it twisting and flexing, maybe cause of his suspension failure?

With the Supercars, it really is starting to look depressing! were have they all Gone? Andy Grant? Simon Horton? Andy Scott? are they really that expensive too run / entry fees that high?

Also nice to see Dan Rooke's old AX getting a run out, plus great to see Dan still involved in the paddock being spotter for Oliver Bennett.
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Old 17 Apr 2017, 22:57 (Ref:3727425)   #94
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there is sumthing very odd with Ovenden's Clio as going round North Bend the inside front wheel was at least a few inches off the ground but the car looked like it twisting and flexing, maybe cause of his suspension failure?
That Clio has always gone round corners with the inside wheel floating in mid air, aside from the moment it broke it did not seem to slow him down, performance wise it is in a different class to the rest of the field.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 07:51 (Ref:3727479)   #95
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First rallycross in the UK for about four years and agree pretty much with everyone else. Organization was at times painful. I think you could see the signs when practice started 15 mins late and with less than 70 cars they still ran past curfew......

Negatives
- removal of broken cars was a joke
- not enough entries
- struggle with the semi final concept when entries so thin
- start lights not working - prob if the same thing happens for WRX
- rules? since when are rolling starts allowed (Mad Mark)?

Positives
- fantastic crowd
- Super National and Super 1600's were fantastic and sounded right!
- it wasn't as cold as I was expecting

Overall though a good day out and excellent value for money given we got there at 8.30 and left past 6pm.

Re Supercars there are a few really top national drivers cars - Ollie, Kevin, Scott, Godfrey,etc. but we seem to have lost the clubman supercar drivers. Having run them they empty your bank account very quickly. Just feels like a normal low.

Look forward to coming to another round.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 07:57 (Ref:3727480)   #96
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I feel sad when I see comments like this.

The Easter Lydden used to be an awesome meeting until only a few years ago. Always full of entries and often a few people running in new cars and a great old track to host it all.

I fear for Lydden as a venue for anything after reading all of this, seems either the Dorans have lost interest and heart after losing WRX or are simply too busy elsewhere to bother.

They do seem to do things last minute at times, which can work, but when you are doing it in front of paying customers that really is unacceptable and does not put them in a good light.

Overall, the sooner both series combine the better.

Because watching the slow death of British rallycross from afar is not something I would ever want.

Sadly for too long now the sport is being held to ransom by a few people with massive ego's that are so utterly selfish and ignorant they cannot see the damage they have done or are doing. Some of them quit long ago, some of them are still involved, and nobody seems prepared to do anything about it other than blow their own trumpet, which just makes them look even more selfish and ignorant.
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 09:28 (Ref:3727498)   #97
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That Clio has always gone round corners with the inside wheel floating in mid air, aside from the moment it broke it did not seem to slow him down, performance wise it is in a different class to the rest of the field.
Yeah, as you say that Clio V6 has always done that: it's clearly a very stiff chassis with very soft suspension at the rear!

I have to echo the sentiments of those in here. There was some great racing yesterday... when they eventually got to race.

I possibly only had half the story, but I personally didn't agree with the decision to allow Mark Watson to "roll" into the final. As I understand it Heathcote was sitting in the dummy grid in a fully functional Supercar, where as Mark's car was clearly sick.

Still, despite the lower numbers, at least the majority of those cars in attendance were competitive and we got a pretty action packed Supercar final.

The Super Nationals were the standout class of the day for me as well. So good to see that Clio V6 out again and Ovenden seems to have really got to grips with it: can't believe he was denied victory again so close to the end of the day!
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 10:45 (Ref:3727511)   #98
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I'd say that s1600 were the best for me even if there were only 5 of them. When I get a chance I will have a look at the lap times of the 2wd cars. I bet that they are a real mixed bag and that running them all in one class would work.

The side by side racing down the Dover Slope and up and down Hairy Hill (especially down), is some of the closest I have seen. They seem to have made the dirt mostly tarmac, which is a negative from a purist perspective , but it did mean that cars could overtake on the outside of the loose on the Dover slope. I haven't seen that for years.

The start system and car recovery was shambolic. But drivers don't help themselves. It's clear that there would be a ready to race light, then it goes off, then a gap, then the green light. Drivers had it at full chat before the ready to race even came on! Then the commentators say "oh that is a long hold" , without the first clue of what they are talking about. Then the whole audience thinks that the start system has failed. The start system only failed twice. In heat 1, race 3 and in the supercar final. All the other times it was silly drivers on full chat far too early then jumping the lights.

The Mad Mark situation was farcical too. In a wayit's great that they tried to help him out and get him racing (even at the cost of a Doran car!). In another way, it's a joke and a breach of the rules and shouldn't have happened!

For me though, the action on track made up for all these errors. It was a great day once the cars were actually racing. ,
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 22:33 (Ref:3727642)   #99
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According to Facebook (which is always an accurate source of information ), the Heathcote C4 wasn't capable of running the final. If that was the case then I retract my statement about allowing Mark Watson out.
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Old 19 Apr 2017, 11:29 (Ref:3727724)   #100
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According to Facebook (which is always an accurate source of information ), the Heathcote C4 wasn't capable of running the final. If that was the case then I retract my statement about allowing Mark Watson out.
Steve, Nathan's C4 was one of several (LDM) Supercars to catch fire during the day so I would have been surprised to see it moving under its own power let alone racing again on Monday. Great shame!

As is often the way here, there's been a lot of negative comments about Monday's meeting. Here's a positive - although there were long delays between one heat finishing and the next starting early in the day, they'd got themselves better organised as the day went on. As cars were slowing down to head to the paddock, the next grid was forming up for the next race, which is how it should be. Especially important when there are so many races in the day - has a huge, cumulative affect on the timetable during the day.

Some great racing on Monday and I do hope Mad Mark gets the Xsara working reliably one day. It's a long journey for him to find the clutch is slipping badly.

Some of the Retro cars are awaiting parts, which in some cases ae becoming hard to find given the cars' ages, hence no 6R4s or James Harrold's Beetle, for instance. More cars are on the way, but amateur racers with small budgets who do it for fun find that the build process takes longer than is ideal. More cars are on the way!

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Old 19 Apr 2017, 11:39 (Ref:3727726)   #101
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To be honest, the ability to make the grids ready while the next races are ready has been part of rallycross for many years and is usually linked to the layout of the track and the pits.

Lydden is good as access and egress are separate, but the pits are a little bit of a minefield, especially at bigger events with open access.

My reasons for not going were simple. I was seeing family in the area and would rather have spent time with them. Bigger grids would have persuaded me perhaps and a cheaper entry price. But these are age old gripes and little to do with the drivers and cars, more WRX, Lydden itself and British rallycross in general.

The guys out there do as good a job as they can.

I only hope we can get a few dates at Silverstone for BRC. AS that is a lot closer and the track looks great.
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Steve, Nathan's C4 was one of several (LDM) Supercars to catch fire during the day so I would have been surprised to see it moving under its own power let alone racing again on Monday. Great shame!
I thought it was down in the assembly area ahead of the final - just in case someone else dropped out before the start? (I didn't see it but I thought the commentators mentioned that?)

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As is often the way here, there's been a lot of negative comments about Monday's meeting.
I think the negative comments are justified in this case - the toilets were dreadful and the recovery operation descended into farce by the end of the day.

[QUOTE=Hampton Caught;3727724]Some great racing on Monday[QUOTE]

Agreed - there was some superb racing throughout the classes (and that's not always the case).

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I only hope we can get a few dates at Silverstone for BRC. AS that is a lot closer and the track looks great.
Interesting - I've not seen the Silverstone track in person but from the photos I've seen it looks typically Silverstone (or more accurately - typically Stowe). Flat, devoid of character and limited in spectating options - I assume they'll be building some grandstands there so you'll actually be able to see something (although I suspect there's a lot of catch fencing to go up yet too).
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Old 19 Apr 2017, 12:41 (Ref:3727737)   #103
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I thought it was down in the assembly area ahead of the final - just in case someone else dropped out before the start? (I didn't see it but I thought the commentators mentioned that?)
Yeah, that was the impression I had as well. If the car wasn't capable of running, why bring it to the dummy grid?

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Steve, Nathan's C4 was one of several (LDM) Supercars to catch fire during the day so I would have been surprised to see it moving under its own power let alone racing again on Monday. Great shame!
Yeah, I actually saw the Heathcote fire coming as I noticed a flicker of flame under the car as it turned up North Bend. I was quite close to the car when it pulled over, but they had the fire out quickly so it wouldn't have surprised me if they had managed to turn the car around.

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Some great racing on Monday and I do hope Mad Mark gets the Xsara working reliably one day. It's a long journey for him to find the clutch is slipping badly.
I'm possibly being unfair to Mark, but I do wonder if that car is beyond his means. I'm sure with a decent investment of time and money it could be competitive (and reliable) again, but he always seems to be on the back foot with the Xsara.

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Some of the Retro cars are awaiting parts, which in some cases ae becoming hard to find given the cars' ages, hence no 6R4s or James Harrold's Beetle, for instance. More cars are on the way, but amateur racers with small budgets who do it for fun find that the build process takes longer than is ideal. More cars are on the way!
I assumed that the Group B cars were either awaiting parts and/or being preserved for use at the World round. The plans for the World round sound promising, I'm really looking forward to seeing what iconic cars they have lined up!
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Regarding Silverstone, I think it might be OK. Yes Stowe currently is not an area that allows spectators, but I walked all over the recently laid circuit with bother to try and work out what was being planned.

I would guess temp stands will be bought in, or possibly inside Club. I am guessing they will use the Wing pits area and a fun zone nonsense thing.

There is nowhere on the existing tracks that you can sit, so they will have to bring in bleachers or stands. And at the moment the edge of the track is lined with piles of soil that have been carefully formed to provide berms, as if they are staying not going? Not sure.

It looks very temporary obviously and uses hardly any of the Stowe circuit, only the top hairpin and a few meters of straight, but seriously, if it is nearly all dirt (and it looks like Latvia type dirt not broken tarmac) it might be OK

If you can see!

I reckon a sort of Mettet type area somewhere safe, away, but ability to see the whole venue along Club straight sort of where the Wing pit access road is now on that bank.
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Yeah, I actually saw the Heathcote fire coming as I noticed a flicker of flame under the car as it turned up North Bend. I was quite close to the car when it pulled over, but they had the fire out quickly so it wouldn't have surprised me if they had managed to turn the car around.
I bet you didn't get a photo of it though did you Steve?

We spotted it as he came through the chicane across the finish line. So it had been going for a good minute or so.
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