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Old 11 May 2014, 23:28 (Ref:3405161)   #1
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IndyCar safety

Yesterday at the Grand Prix of Indianapolis we saw several safety issues. I saw flashes of Las Vegas 2011 at the race start, and the restart was even more dangerous than Power's at St Pete 2014. IndyCar must recognize the issues, tackle them and solve them.

Saavedra and Montoya stalled. That happens, even in major championships. He raised the hands. The problem was that the race was started anyway, and that shouldn't happen. See this start at the GP3 race 1 yesterday:

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As soon as the driver stalled, the flaggers showed yellow in two different sport. In seconds, dozens of flags were waved, the lights started flashing red and nobody moved. That's what should happen.

In the IndyCar race there were several flaggers. One in the midpack waved yellow for a second, then stopped. The one closest to Saavedra did wave cosntantly. The rest of the flaggers didn't move at all. That shouldn't happen.

Then at the restarts, there were like 1 meter between cars. How does anyone expect them to make turn 1 so close to each other? Cars must be separated by 6-8 meters before the green flag is waved.
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Old 12 May 2014, 11:41 (Ref:3405304)   #2
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I don't think there is a safety issue...there are some rules issues...sure, the new rule of the restart must be changed, because it's too complicated and forces the leader to have a "strange" behaviour...I think it's necessary to be back to the old times: one file restart, one demarcation line to pass and go...about the crash at the start, it's a problem of standing starts...also in this case, the problem is the rule...I think the best thing is to be back to rolling start, and solve the problem...if you continue, it's natural that you have a danger with a stalled cars, especially if it's in the first rows...it's the same in every series...
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Old 12 May 2014, 15:09 (Ref:3405411)   #3
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What was more worrisome is that these 'officials' (also seemed to be guests and pitcrews running around) were only separated from the racetrack by a knee-high concrete wall. Come on, it's not the 70's anymore.



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Old 12 May 2014, 15:47 (Ref:3405428)   #4
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What was more worrisome is that these 'officials' (also seemed to be guests and pitcrews running around) were only separated from the racetrack by a knee-high concrete wall. Come on, it's not the 70's anymore.
In an italian forum I was involved in a discussion about this...somebody ask why there isn't a minimum protection between pit lane and the track, with the mere presence of a low wall, and he asks why ther isn't, for example, a catch fence like on outside wall...I want to ask you if the matter of a protection between pit lane and the track was ever discussed...or there is nothing because Speedway owners have never felt the need until saturday?
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Old 12 May 2014, 15:56 (Ref:3405430)   #5
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It's one of those thing's that only seems obvious after the event, unfortunately.
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Old 12 May 2014, 16:17 (Ref:3405436)   #6
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It's one of those thing's that only seems obvious after the event, unfortunately.
I saw some photos on google about the MotoGp Grand Prix...during that event there is a fence above the inside wall...why they didn't use it saturday?
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I agree with Peat about the pitwall.
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Old 12 May 2014, 20:58 (Ref:3405588)   #8
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Yikes that wall is crazy. A good fence on the outer wall would also avoid the spectre of an inverted car landing driver's-head first on the wall.
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Isnt the wall exactly the same when they run the oval? Ive always thought the pitlane looked very exposed, just the low wall to stop 240mph missiles from coming over.

I wouldnt want to stand there for long
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What was more worrisome is that these 'officials' (also seemed to be guests and pitcrews running around) were only separated from the racetrack by a knee-high concrete wall. Come on, it's not the 70's anymore.



Common sense has never gone together with this series and they just can't help themselves. Every time you think they cannot get any dumber, they plow forward into deeper depths of stupidity.

It's one thing to have that waist high wall but another to have a bunch of bozos standing there waiting to be scythed down and decapitated by crashing cars. Lunacy.
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Isnt the wall exactly the same when they run the oval? Ive always thought the pitlane looked very exposed, just the low wall to stop 240mph missiles from coming over.

I wouldnt want to stand there for long
I don't know why anyone would wait to stand there at all, much less for long. Sheesh.
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Old 12 May 2014, 21:59 (Ref:3405615)   #12
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Sarcasm clearly didnt come across
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Isnt the wall exactly the same when they run the oval? Ive always thought the pitlane looked very exposed, just the low wall to stop 240mph missiles from coming over.
How many times a car fly over the inside wall and went into the pitlane in 100 years of the Speedway?
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Old 13 May 2014, 09:08 (Ref:3405747)   #14
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Ive no idea, but if the answer is none then it doesnt mean it wont happen
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When I first saw the video of the accident yesterday what struck me was the lack of yellow flags and the position of the flag marshal, crews hangers on etc. I'm no expert on racing in the USA but look at any video of racing in Europe where somebody stalls on the grid and there's instantly 2 or 3 vigorously waved yellows to try and give at least some warning for those further down the grid. In this case there seemed to be one flag marshal who wasn't particularly quick to react and was in a position where had, quite rightly, to look after his own safety. The poor guys at the back had no chance.
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