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Old 15 Mar 2017, 10:06 (Ref:3718752)   #1
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I when through my first thread (if you are wondering about it, DONT) and I broke so many rule of thumbs, mostly about pit outs and length and expectation vs reality in the case of numeral uno. and I saw other first tracks and some (not all) had similar rookie issues. so I made this thread so experienced users could teach rule of thumbs and tips about placements and definitions and stuff.

this is almost a written podcast

please don't submit circuits on this thread (do your own for that) but if you have a section example about a certain topic like pit out and kerb placement, put them up.
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Old 15 Mar 2017, 10:12 (Ref:3718755)   #2
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and of course we are going to have different views on topics so it will be interesting to hear what everyone thinks about it


so first topic shall be the grid to turn 1 and if people feel it would be better longer or shorter
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Old 15 Mar 2017, 14:30 (Ref:3718820)   #3
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There is already an instructional based on Sketchup, pinned at the top of my track. Some of what's in there will carry over to free hand as well. But any particular questions ask away
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I like straights where the previous and next corner are opposite. An example of this is Sepang. It requires vehicles to change sides, which causes interesting moves.

Also, I like not totally straight straights. Red Bull Ring's backstraight and Istanbul's kink are good examples.
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I like straights where the previous and next corner are opposite. An example of this is Sepang. It requires vehicles to change sides, which causes interesting moves.

Also, I like not totally straight straights. Red Bull Ring's backstraight and Istanbul's kink are good examples.
like Surfers Paradise's front straight?
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There is already an instructional based on Sketchup, pinned at the top of my track. Some of what's in there will carry over to free hand as well. But any particular questions ask away
I know, and there are several other threads that have bits of this and bits of that, but what I was thinking was to put it all on one thread instead of having something on page 4 (t1 hairpins-AOB?)
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like Surfers Paradise's front straight?
That's not enough. I mean where cars go from one side to the other.
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ok some initial rules of thumb, they aren't set in stone and there are many circuits which contradict them.

1 Pit garages and race control combine = 300m
2 If pit exit is to be on pit straight then it has to be 100m before the T1 apex (I believe that's an FIA rule)
3 Pits on the inside of T1 makes easier design
4 Run offs and travel traps don't need to be as big as you first think, look at some real word circuits on google earth.
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You think we could merge all these informational threads into one big one and pin it for later use, SBF? Or would that be way too much work for a mere mortal?

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It could be done, but I think kerb had something more as a general rule of thumb thread, rather than a formal instructional.

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Old 20 Mar 2017, 05:56 (Ref:3720101)   #11
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i intended it to be a rule of thumb thread, but it may be wise to have a full instructional in the top of the page
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So lets add some more things that you have discovered apply regularly to designs and one we are happy I'll lock this off, and someone can formalise it into a new thread that I'll sticky.
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Old 21 Mar 2017, 07:42 (Ref:3720365)   #13
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there are several points from other threads should be brought up, these being:
difference between bike and car circuits (AOB)
t1 hairpins (also AOB)
FIA standards on length and run offs
notes on track design (purist) would be a nice tutorial.

there could be others that may be on further pages
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