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4 May 2015, 13:23 (Ref:3533972) | #1 | |
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Will the Mazda P2 cars ever be competitive?
I know that they are making improvements, but I'm starting to wonder if it's even attainable with the current configuration.
Secondly, will the series ALLOW them to be competitive and fight for overall wins once and IF they ever get the car within shooting range of a victory? (tin foil hat statement) |
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4 May 2015, 13:34 (Ref:3533979) | #3 | ||
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They dont need to go petrol, for sure it would be easier for them if they went for a pure petrol race engine but for marketing reasons they want to run a diesel engine built from as many street parts as possible. It was mentioned during the broadcast yesterday that they are 100bhp down on where they need to be.
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They led the race over the weekend, showed tremendous fuel economy and nearly stayed ahead of all the PC cars (35 seconds behind PC winner). Yes they were 2 laps down at the end but 7th overall isn't too bad is it?
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4 May 2015, 14:16 (Ref:3533995) | #6 | ||
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Have to wonder if they're really happy running around in last place with that diesel now as it won't actually have much marketing value until they have it in the road car, too. |
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4 May 2015, 14:39 (Ref:3534009) | #7 | |
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Not with that useless diesel engine and the ages old chassis.
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4 May 2015, 15:10 (Ref:3534019) | #8 | |
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Wonder how much time they would lop off if they were using a Ligier chassis? That Lola chassis has been around for 7+ years.
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4 May 2015, 16:17 (Ref:3534038) | #9 | ||
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Their specific Lola's haven't been around for 7+ years... those were a few of the NOS that were on hand after Lola closed.(I agree though...they could use some new stuff)
The idea that they are going to take pure street-spec parts put them in a car, and run, and be competitive was stupid from the start. But, Japan and Mazda are committed...eventually they will get through the stuff that breaks, or just decide to switch to race-spec stuff. At some point they will need to commit to that, or abandon as is. It would seem as if the Skyactiv-D program in commercial terms hasn't been very successful. |
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“We’re trying to close the doors without embarrassing ourselves, the France family and embarrassing (the) Grand American Series,” he said in the deposition. “There is no money. There is no purse. There’s nothing.” |
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4 May 2015, 16:32 (Ref:3534042) | #11 | |
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With the current specifications no. To be competitive, at least they'd need an engine with larger displacement to match hp with other teams. But then it wouldn't be part of Mazda's marketing strategy if they're trying to promote 'small' (by American standards) displacement diesels.
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4 May 2015, 17:22 (Ref:3534052) | #12 | ||
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They'd be smart to grab that AER lump for 2017....Dyson did a huge amount of development work on it.
Rebadge it as a Skyactiv and nobody other than a bunch of anoraks will know the difference. |
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I think the diesel Mazda lump wasn't designed for the boost levels and horsepower they are seeing. |
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“We’re trying to close the doors without embarrassing ourselves, the France family and embarrassing (the) Grand American Series,” he said in the deposition. “There is no money. There is no purse. There’s nothing.” |
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We have to admit that they made a huge step forward in the last year. They were near 10 seconds slower than the front runners, but yesterday they were getting 1.20 and 1.21 while the leaders or even the Ligier-HPD was running at 19 an 20.
From the competition point of view, I would like them to race a petrol engine or better, the old three or four rotors engine. |
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4 May 2015, 21:06 (Ref:3534112) | #16 | |
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Well, when they finally quit the program at least they can say it was never a Mazda in the first place.
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At the moment, the only way to win for then, it's to achieve a great fuel consumption with the need of a pit stop less than the others. But they need to be near the leaders and at the same lap. Until half the race, they did it well. My respects. |
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5 May 2015, 00:16 (Ref:3534152) | #19 | ||
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I don't think this machine will ever be succesfull. It's an old car with an engine that is rapidly becoming impopular.
Mazda should withdraw and save face. It's time they make good on their promise and return with a rotary to Le Mans. |
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5 May 2015, 00:19 (Ref:3534153) | #20 | ||
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Fair enough, but I was only comparing their results over the weekend vs their previous results.
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5 May 2015, 00:50 (Ref:3534161) | #21 | |
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It's rumored that the Mazdaspeed 3, coming with a 2.5L turbo, will be unveiled towards the end of the year. I don't know if they would switch engines, but if the rumor is true it gives them another option.
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5 May 2015, 01:12 (Ref:3534166) | #22 | |
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The engine is improving both on speed and reliability, you just gotta have patience. However I do perfer rotaries more. Remember the Furai...
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5 May 2015, 01:41 (Ref:3534171) | #23 | |
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Mazda have said recently that they have no interest in motorsport. This doesn't seem to be the case in North America, however I wonder if the funding and supply chains to the teams are extremely limited, in that they have to make do with the limited parts and assistance that Mazda gives them, and that is it.
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5 May 2015, 11:53 (Ref:3534305) | #25 | |
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Yea, but the problem is that no one else is sitting still, either. Sure, they've made big gains, but everyone they're competing against, who are already significantly ahead of them is continually improving too.
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