F1 goes to Sky sports

[Knowlesy]

But Martin said Sky is way more technical than the Beeb. So it must be true.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

But Martin said Sky is way more technical than the Beeb. So it must be true.

There's technical and then there's technical. Maybe he was talking about the microphones or some fancy graphics?

[Mr V]

We're still talking about a team (Sky) that has only got 6 races experience collective experience against the Beeb which has a couple of years. It will some for Sky.

[Born Racer]

You're right Mr V, but the problem will always be even if Sky equal the BBC, some of us will be left wondering why it's not better when we're paying for it. It's like an F1 tax- a new charge that we didn't pay for before.

I'm going the whole hog and abandoning BT (whose service has been poor) for Sky (who have too much of a penchant for calling me "buddy" on the phone) so I can at least get TV, phone and internet for the same cost as I was getting phone and internet for before.

[pauln]

I'm not overly fussed about the F1 coverage between the two. I have a preference for Crofty/Brundle calling the race, but for Gary on the tech side and Jake & Co in the build-up.

Where Sky is scoring big for me is in its coverage of GP2 and GP3. Full races are shown (and qualifying if you're that into it), while they barely get a passing mention on the Beeb.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by Born Racer

You're right Mr V, but the problem will always be even if Sky equal the BBC, some of us will be left wondering why it's not better when we're paying for it. It's like an F1 tax- a new charge that we didn't pay for before.

Well maybe, but i get the impression that people become more critical when they are actually paying for something. It may well be as good as the "free" version, but we'll always expect more.

[wolfhound]

If you have to pay more for a service then I would expect a better service.

[TWRv12]

Originally Posted by Marbot

Mr Lazenby managing to insult the late Princess Grace of Monaco, was the only real highlight of Sky's Monaco GP presentation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...cos-death.html

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was a 'no-show' at the Canadian GP.

Sick idiot! Lazenby should be fired for that.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by TWRv12

Sick idiot! Lazenby should be fired for that.

If everyone got the sack for a joke,/inappropriate comment/mistake, no one would have a job left

[rocketcar]

sky's coverage is ok and improved significantly since it started. the weak link Lazenby. he should be out of there. he cannot present live and looks like he is nervous, acts akwardly and doesnt seem to know much about f1 at all. sky said they were the autosport of tv coverage at the start, but seeing that bbcs monaco coverage was better and on air longer than skys they have well and truely failed. if i hadnt already got it from my subscription i definatly would not pay for it.

[Flavio Galtieri]

Originally Posted by Mr V

If everyone got the sack for a joke,/inappropriate comment/mistake, no one would have a job left

Making a joke about the death of Princess Grace at the Monaco GP would be akin to making a joke about the death of Princess Di whilst commentating on the Royal Jubilee last weekend.

Whilst it might get a few laughs down the pub it is seriously unprofessional conduct.

But then Sky do have a habit of employing these halfwits, luckily there is a resthome for them called Talksport radio.

[henners88]

Originally Posted by Mr V

Well maybe, but i get the impression that people become more critical when they are actually paying for something. It may well be as good as the "free" version, but we'll always expect more.

Sky still have quite a way to go before they are on par (quality wise) with the Beeb for many fans in my experience. The positive points are the coverage of GP2 and GP3, but the team are still seriously lacking in terms of delivery IMO. When the deal was first announced I thought I would at least miss Brundle to a degree even if I'm not overly keen on the bloke, but now I would be disappointed if circumstances changed and he ended up back on FTA. The Beeb appeared to get all the priority interviews pre and post race in Monaco and this was further backed up by reading Sky viewers complaints on such. I can understand if you are paying a premium for something you expect the best but it's also apparent the Beeb are still the primary source of coverage for British fans and audience figures will always matter to the parties who need the exposure in certain markets. Sky are delivering good coverage sure, but they must be scratching their heads a little when the demands for them to prove they are the best source for F1 in the UK simply isn't being fulfilled.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by henners88

Sky still have quite a way to go before they are on par (quality wise) with the Beeb for many fans in my experience. The positive points are the coverage of GP2 and GP3, but the team are still seriously lacking in terms of delivery IMO. When the deal was first announced I thought I would at least miss Brundle to a degree even if I'm not overly keen on the bloke, but now I would be disappointed if circumstances changed and he ended up back on FTA. The Beeb appeared to get all the priority interviews pre and post race in Monaco and this was further backed up by reading Sky viewers complaints on such. I can understand if you are paying a premium for something you expect the best but it's also apparent the Beeb are still the primary source of coverage for British fans and audience figures will always matter to the parties who need the exposure in certain markets. Sky are delivering good coverage sure, but they must be scratching their heads a little when the demands for them to prove they are the best source for F1 in the UK simply isn't being fulfilled.

A lot of it has to do with the BBC's history and reputation as an international broadcaster. I'm not surprised they got the priority interviews.

[Flavio Galtieri]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

A lot of it has to do with the BBC's history and reputation as an international broadcaster. I'm not surprised they got the priority interviews.

Yes, true, but.....to be honest PR and Marketing people are pretty unsentimental in my experience. It's just a numbers game and the BBC has at least three times the viewers on the races they show live. At the BGP it'll probably be even more as casual viewers come on board.

Murdoch won't care, he's playing the long game just waiting until he can snatch it all.

As for Brundle, I prefer the more contemporary driver viewpoints the BBC provide personally, don't miss him a bit.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Flavio Galtieri

Making a joke about the death of Princess Grace at the Monaco GP would be akin to making a joke about the death of Princess Di whilst commentating on the Royal Jubilee last weekend.

That would have improved the coverage of the flotilla.

I'm still trying to work out if that joke is worse than reading the Daily Mail. On consideration, it is no where near as bad.

[wolfhound]

Some news about the future of TV broadcasts with Bernie saying that F1 will not go exclusively pay per view. The Tifosi are in for a tough time as Murdoch has got a deal for F1 in Italy next year.

http://www.pitpass.com/46474-Ecclest...-per-view-only

Bernie seems to like sky (money) over FTA broadcasters, he likes lots of air time but what about the quality?

[Mr V]

Just watching the Mario F1 legends programme, then a bit later a think i'll watch FP1, but as i'm out think i'll watch it on Sky Go. Can't do that with the Beeb.

[henners88]

Originally Posted by Mr V

Just watching the Mario F1 legends programme, then a bit later a think i'll watch FP1, but as i'm out think i'll watch it on Sky Go. Can't do that with the Beeb.

You can't watch the Poland vs Greece game on sky either but who really cares? I rarely watch the practice sessions when I can watch them on the beeb because of the simple fact they are rather boring and I have better things to do with my Fridays most of the time. If quantity over quality rules and you're happy to pay for it, then good for you. I can watch on sky go anytime I want but they have failed to impress. My F1 experience is not suffering one iota as a result.

[wolfhound]

I see where sky will have Jacques Villenuve as a pundit this weekend that might liven things up a bit.

[Adam43]

I presume that is another pro-beeb anti-sky comment

[wolfhound]

Originally Posted by Adam43

I presume that is another pro-beeb anti-sky comment

I would be interested to hear what Jacques has to say as it is usually interesting and is different to what a lot of others might think. A different view point usually adds to TV coverage.

I don't have sky as I feel it is not good value for money 6 or 700 notes for half the GPs. With the comments that I have heard about sky it does not appear to offer anything better in terms of quality especially for what it costs. It does offer more hours of coverage but is that enough?

[Flavio Galtieri]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Some news about the future of TV broadcasts with Bernie saying that F1 will not go exclusively pay per view. The Tifosi are in for a tough time as Murdoch has got a deal for F1 in Italy next year.

http://www.pitpass.com/46474-Ecclest...-per-view-only

Bernie seems to like sky (money) over FTA broadcasters, he likes lots of air time but what about the quality?

That story in Pitpass is a bit disingenuous because it seems to suggest that more coverage, i.e. whatever Sky are doing by repeating everything constantly on a dedicated channel, is worth as much or more than the BBC's much, much larger audience for qualifying and the race.

It isn't. What counts to sponsors is individual viewers, unique viewers in Internet speak. It's no good having the same 800,000 hard core sports fans getting a sponsors message when you could have 3 million plus seeing it on the BBC. And the viewership for the repeats and FP1 etc. is probably tiny.

The Sky business model only really works with exclusive rights, not shared as we have now.

[Adam43]

To clarify I was just being silly about JV.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by henners88

You can't watch the Poland vs Greece game on sky either but who really cares?

Not me, i didn't fancy watching that match, although i hear it wasn't too bad.

Originally Posted by henners88

My F1 experience is not suffering one iota as a result.

Thank heavens for that, i was losing sleep over that

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by Flavio Galtieri

The Sky business model only really works with exclusive rights, not shared as we have now.

Which will proberbly happen when the BBC give up the rights to the other half of the season