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Tourers @ Spa 24?
As the World Touring Car championship - another attempt at it - is now under way I wonder if this series needs a highlight similar to what the Australian Supercars have in the Bathurst 1000. The Tourers now definitely have top billing over the GTs in the FIA weekends, with the exception of Spa, where the 24 Hours is the main event. Of course, this used to be a touringcar race. So why not establish a class for touring cars again, and make it a round of the WTCC as well as the FIA-GT?
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Would be great! I think at the moment there are enough S2000 cars available to get a full grid. A single event outside WTCC would be also an option.
In the 24h at the Ring there will be several S2000 cars (Schubert BMW, JAS Honda). |
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The WTCC cars would need to pit for fuel every 25 minutes
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Bigger tanks? I am told they have been invented already.
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I doubt many of the WTCC cars would last round the clock anyway.
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These cars are built for sprint races not long-distance enduros. It's a little more involved that just outting in a bigger tank and buying some in-race refueling equipment. The brakes won't last a full 24 hrs, so you need to be able to change those mid-race. Changing pads is a simple enough job but changing pads when they are red hot after several hours use is a different matter. The engines would need replacing with something less stressed and more able to last 24 hrs continuous use. It's liek asking a 100m sprinter to run a marathon.
Like most things in life all these problems are fixable if you have enough money and time to develop them, but for a single race is it worth the cost? |
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The other point to bear in mind is that the last time the FIA ran a World Touring Car Championship, in 1987, it was an endurance title anyway, so doing 24 hours wasn't so much of a stretch.
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Hm. So in fact not only are the cars not up to it anmore, the (works!) teams aren't, either. Pity.
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If the WTCC was being run as an Endurance Championship, as it was in 1987, then go for it, but if all the other rounds are sprints, why have one long race, where they will be forgotten in the pack.
The Spa 24 Hours is now a round of the FIA GT Championship. Run it for more GT cars, don't mix Touring Cars up in there. I'd much prefer it if the race was still for Touring Cars...... Why do they give out points at quarter and half distance? |
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cybersdorf, are you deliberatly trying to troll or have you misread what I said.
The teams and cars ARE up to it IF you are willing to spend bucket loads of cash on development. It's like asking a Le Mans team to run in the Paris-Dakar |
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S2000 cars are currently used in long distance competition; by non-works teams. There is no black magic involved in making them last. Money, yes. Money is also involved in making a 996 last 24 hours. "But they were built for it" - they were built to go fast within their rules; the longevity came afterwards. No 24hr race is cheap, it just depends on what you get in return. All these FIA-GT teams WILL BE spending comparative bucket loads of cash on the Spa 24. Why? - quadruple points. I believe a handful of S2000 cars are entered for the Ring 24 (where there is precisely nothing at stake except... what, glory?), we will see if they can be made last by teams of which I do not believe any are big-budget works outfits, at least not overtly. If a team like Schubert will be able to do it, then there won't be any reason to believe N-Technology/Autodelta or Schnitzer will not. |
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In some ways the current teams would be doing a bad job if their sprint WTTC cars could last 24 hours!
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The point is that the WTCC is a series based around short sprint races, not endurances races, that's what the teams want. Why do you want to turn into something it's not?
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