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We will have to see once they do some testing but it will sound different and might not be that bad
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17 Jun 2013, 15:49 (Ref:3263859) | #1856 | ||
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Thinking WAY outside of the box. Is there any other layout that they could be using that is not in the traditionally (inline, flat, vee) such as a radial (!!??) (Radials use an odd number of cylinders so that is unlikely I think). Richard |
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what you need to remember is the Porsche project was personally authorised by Ferdinand Piech who is on the board of VW, the project must be relevant to VW road car projects, therefore an inline engine with 4 cylinders........flat 6's and V engines do not relate to VW mainstream.........yes its a Porsche, but VW are paying the money
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I suppose they'll use a 4 cylinder boxer then, since the new and coming 'light' Porsche will most likely have such an engine. Won't sound like a cracker though I reckon. But then, most turbocharged Porsches I've seen, didn't blow one of the socks, soundwise...
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17 Jun 2013, 16:18 (Ref:3263881) | #1860 | ||
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And... given the wide expanse of existing flat and V designs used by Porsche today and in the recent past (RS Spyder) I can't see any scenario in which those are off the table. However, I would be very surprised to see a flat six. If anything, I think the relevance will come about via the turbo charging, efficiency, etc. I think there is plenty there for the marketing team to be happy about. Richard |
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17 Jun 2013, 17:28 (Ref:3263915) | #1861 | ||
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OK a couple of thoughts:
1. - The "unusual" reference is I think, in relation to Porsche. They always produce either boxer or V engines. If this engine is in fact "in-line",then it is "unusual" for Porsche. 2. - The Qataris have in fact sold back their shares (10%) but it is in Porsche SE (holding company that sold Porsche AG to VW). They sold it back to the Porsche and Piech families. 3 - It is always important to remember (and often forgotten or overlooked) that Porsche SE owns 50.7% of VAG and is also the majority shareholder in ordinary share capital. |
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17 Jun 2013, 17:33 (Ref:3263916) | #1862 | ||
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I thought I heard the last time it was put on hold that while Porsche was evaluating both a four and six cylinder design (maybe a modular engine family), that Volkswagon Group felt that Porsche was not the brand within VG to be creating entry level sports cars. That other internal brands (such as VW itself) should fill that niche. Richard |
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Maybe because Audi is Piech's pet project and he has been in a state of war with the rest of the Porsche family for the best part of the last 50 years. Remember, he was basically forced to leave Porsche... ever since that, he has done everything in his power to outdo Porsche family... He even had an public affair with Marlene Porsche for 12 years(and 2 kids), the (ex)wife of his cousin Gerd Porsche.
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I must admit the engine choice fascinates me a huge deal, I suspect it will be something extra special, perhaps a new self combustion system which is now advancing well for gasoline engines in research projects, or running a miller cycle.......who knows.......perhaps it will just be a bullet proof 2.0 I4 gasoline direct injection that will actually go the distance, unlike the Mazdas........Mazda and AER fell into the trap of building a superlight engine, and look what happened |
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17 Jun 2013, 21:34 (Ref:3264020) | #1868 | |
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Porsche cars is 100% owned by VW Group. Porsche automobil holding SE, is a separate entity, that holds a large portion of VW Group. Porsche Holding SE is owned by the Porsche-Piech family.
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18 Jun 2013, 05:01 (Ref:3264134) | #1870 | ||
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The current desire to fight tax designed complex ownership structures of companies would have fun trying to sort out VAG and the porsche involvement but in its simplest form the former owners of porsche control the largest share of the holding companhy that controls both.
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I think the point that I'm trying to make (rather convolutedly) is that Porsche did not have to be "told" by VAG to build an in-line 4. I think they did it because they wanted (needed) to. I think that it was this very "need" that drove the need for compromise (or broaden to include both gasoline and diesel) in the VAG racing strategy. I don't doubt however that Peich had the last word. Last edited by Spyderman; 18 Jun 2013 at 05:49. |
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I'm not convinced by your argument for the inline-4 engine... Here's why... The only car that is going to use inline 4 engines is Macan... and that one will be Audi/VW 2.0 TFSI engine. The "cheap" entry level sports car has been cancelled, VW also put BlueSport roadster on ice, and without that, there is no platform for the car and no economies of scale to make it significantly cheaper than Boxter. A flat 4, on the other hand, is a given... It will probably appear in the Boxter after the refresh, and may even lead to a 912 version. The other thing is, being part of VW Group, Porsche has the advantage that the avarage emissions of the entire group are taken, not just Porsche's. That's not to say they wont strive to reduce emissions... |
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18 Jun 2013, 08:42 (Ref:3264242) | #1873 | ||
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Perhaps I overstated my case for the in-line 4. It is not the in-line 4 specifically that will replace current engines. It is the concept of smaller engines (accompanied with Turbo's and other developments) that will replace current engines. This needs to be a) further developed to todays performance requirements and emission levels and b) the idea needs to be "sold" to current and potential customers.
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Making clear, or adding more confusing to the "Who owns what" discussion.
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