Proposed Pre90 FF1600 Pilot Series

[pd88]

[QUOTE=FFmygale;2796370][QUOTE=pd88;2796228]

Originally Posted by FFmygale

I will admit that I have an 88 reynard in the garage (awaiting restoration, that I have never driven)

Thats the one!

Amazed you drove it at the WHT in what ever year it was with such a big crack in the front casting though. Part of it is literally hanging off! Just held together by the dampers by the looks of things.

Unfortunately, we were obliviously to the fact that it was split.

I bought the car through Wayne Poole and he ran it for me at the WHT; as Mike had a bad back at the time. I couldn’t really get the thing to go, Wayne told me that it was because I hadn’t driven for a while and it was wet, so just case of getting some seat time.

I was that disheartened after the WHT and Mike wasn’t sure what he was doing because of his back issue, so I decided to sell the car. Jeremy came to collect it, the next time I spoke with him, (to try and buy the car back) he had already sold it to you and you had noticed the spilt; at which point I obviously felt very guilty, but also p155ed off, as with that corrected, I might have been quicker in the car and hence still owned it.

I have asked Jeremy a couple of times over the past year if you wanted to sell the car back to me???

[FA73]

Originally Posted by FFmygale

For some reason, the most competitive pre 90 class in the UK in recent years has been at Oulton, and there has been a preponderance of Reynard chassis competing in this. I don't know why this is, but would guess it has most likely been caused by a Reynard winning the championship for a few years, and then gradually people gravitate toward the belief that that is the quickest chassis to have if you want to win the championship, and now there is this wider perception that, quite simply, a Reynard is superior to other chassis of the same ilk.

I know for a fact that the success of the Reynards in this championship is precisely what led to the idea of keeping them out of this Pilot Pre 90 series.

My own view is simply this:

The Drivers who are prepared to actually register with us demonstrating a serious intent to commit the considerable amount of time and money required to actually turn up and race in this series should be the people who get to make the final decision on what chassis are eligible. Writing on an Internet Forum in November is easy - turning up with a car ready to race next spring is something else.

We do not yet know for sure that the idea will take off anyway. Until we get enough Drivers the whole argument is theoretical.

As a Class B Pre 74 Driver I really do not mind who wins in Pre 90 or in what chassis !! I do really like the idea of a strong Pre 90 series to compliment our current Classic Pre 82 series though and I hope it works because if it does all Drivers of FF1600 built before 1989 should benefit as the club gets stronger.

I have said quite enough on this thread now - spending too much time on the web is sad !! Thanks for all the responses.

Andrew Smith

[daktari doc]

hope thats not representative of the committee. You started a thread on here to see what people felt, as a commitee, the fact that there was an element of controversy caused you to then try and step away from your position with personal comments and then you acuse the people on here of being 'sad' and spending too much time on a computer.

Interesting points were being made here and over the couple of threads relating to this subject you have had international comments.

If the cffc committee dont sit up and listen to whats been said then i wouldnt be surprised if the zetec boys dont get a call to run a class for the semi mod kent brigade. As a new starter Youve certainly made me question where to place my membership.

Im quite offended by your remarks (if that wasnt clear)

[schuey57]

I origianally thought it might be introduced within the cff c-ship, but surely the main aim is to fill one f-ford grid rather than 2 10-15 car grids.

the whole issue of "a newer car wll be faster" this only affects a few drivers/cars who are at the sharp end of the grid, what makes CLUB c-ships good are the middle runners who know they aint the next star, who go out and race when they can afford to, their the ones that support the clubs, some come and go but you always see the same faces turn up and race cos they want to, another classic c-ship on the barc has suffered these last few season as it's been protrayed as a cut and thrust c-ship, consequently the clubbie racer has left to join other series.

[blackcat]

Andy - fantastic initiative for the Classic FF1600's - well done. Most clubs are very nervous to dip their toes in the water of a 'new pool'.

It is great to see that there is potentially the opportunity to race newer cars - hopefully in some numbers - at more circuits than 'just' the NW (and i can say that 'cos i originate from the NW & Oulton is one of my favourite circuits - along with Cadwell, Brands & Donnington).

I have had a fantastic few races this year in Classics with my Royale RP24 - the only reason i am selling it is to get a more modern car - but - i have always hankered after a Reynard - mainly because of the ease of setting it up and due to the supposed friendly nature of them when compared to the equivalent year Van Diemen.

I just hope that it is possible to revoke the Reynard thing - that way you may well get me & Mr Kestenbaum racing in more than one race in Classics !

Chris Porritt

[flatbroke]

I have a nice Van Diemen Rf88 for hire or sale but if no one want to drive it I will race it myself


hope the pre 90 championship with reynards included goes a head as I do not want to drive up to Oulton park to race in a pre 90 championship.

[dulon]

Have to say i was already looking forward to entering the 2011, and now with the chance of other cars included, i really can't wait. Well done to the club for coming up with the idea.

Should you wonder about a winter series, starting as soon as you like please include my name. thanks again.

(I've Pm'd a couple of you with contact info etc that i hope will be useful to all

[FA73]

Originally Posted by daktari doc

hope thats not representative of the committee. You started a thread on here to see what people felt, as a commitee, the fact that there was an element of controversy caused you to then try and step away from your position with personal comments and then you acuse the people on here of being 'sad' and spending too much time on a computer.

Interesting points were being made here and over the couple of threads relating to this subject you have had international comments.

If the cffc committee dont sit up and listen to whats been said then i wouldnt be surprised if the zetec boys dont get a call to run a class for the semi mod kent brigade. As a new starter Youve certainly made me question where to place my membership.

Im quite offended by your remarks (if that wasnt clear)

I logged into the web today to get some stuff for my Tax Return and just took a quick look at this thread...and now thanks to the above I am typing again - so much for taking a break from it !!

The "sad" comment was intended as a lighthearted reference to the amount of time I myself was spending on the web reading this stuff and emailing people etc. Maybe I should have added one of these to make that more obvious ?

I fail to see what else I have written that could possibly be interpreted as being personally offensive to anyone ?

For your information I have been in touch with a couple of leading Classic FF1600 Drivers, one of whom raced in top line FF1600 in the 1980's and also a well known preparation specialist. All these people know a lot more about 1980's FF1600 than I do and when I asked for their advice it was that the advantage of the Reynards had probably been overestimated. This is a view that some people on this thread clearly share.

All this prompted me to go back to the other Guys on the Committee with the suggestion that perhaps the proposed exclusion of the Reynards needed a re-think. They too believe in being flexible and listening to people and in fact had come to the same conclusion.

As a result I expect a revised proposal for this Pre 90 Pilot Series to be put forward in the near future.

Like I said I never had a personal position on this - I do not even own a 1980's FF1600 after all. If I ever do buy one it will be a Van Diemen purely because that is my favourite marque - even if the Reynard might be faster...

Regards

Andrew Smith
(Not the CFFR Committee - just me)

[FA73]

The Classic Formula Ford Register would like to thank everyone who has contributed to the debate regarding our proposed Pre 90 FF1600 Pilot Series.

We recognise that the original proposal to exclude the Reynard 87/88/89 FF Cars (which was prompted only by their success in recent years in the popular NW FF1600 series) has proved controversial and that many people feel that the exclusion of these chassis is unnecessary and undesirable.

We are happy to listen to what people think particularly those who are recognised authorities on FF1600 during this period. We have certainly not adopted any entrenched position on this matter and there are no vested interests or hidden agendas involved. Our aim is only to try and establish a healthy Pre 90 FF1600 series to compliment our existing Pre82/Pre74 series and strengthen our Club for the benefit of all.

We therefore propose to amend the rules of this pilot series to allow all Pre 90 FF1600 chassis to compete.

If the Pilot series runs with enough success to make a more permanent race series worth considering then at that point any future Class Structure and any other rules can be reviewed with the wishes of all the participants being paramount when making any changes.

We should say that at present we have had 8 enquiries about the series and that 4 of these potential Drivers have requested the necessary form to join as associate members (pre 90) as we described in our original post.

We need a minimum of 12 registrations within the next 2-3 weeks if the series is to go ahead at all.

If you are interested in participating the series please contact Peter Hackett our Club Co-ordinator as soon as possible by email - P.Hackett@hotmail.co.uk

Finally we would like to reassure prospective and existing Pre 1982 Classic Formula Ford Register Members that promotion of the interests of the existing Classic FF1600 race series remains a top priority for the Committee, and that the work relating to the Pre 90 Pilot Series cannot and will not be allowed to reduce our efforts in that area.
　
Regards

The Classic Formula Ford Register Committee.

[blackcat]

All,

Just as a slight aside - there are a couple of cars on Ebay which may be interesting in the pre-90 championship an '89 Ray and an '84 Reynard. Oh yes and there is a beautiful green 1978 Royale RP24 - now with Alan Cornock at FCS.

That brings me to my actual point :-

Currently Classic FF1600 has two classes - Pre-'74 & Pre-'82, maybe that could be the case for Pre-'90, maybe a Pre-'85 class ?

Comments anyone ?

Chris

[pd88]

I've tried to find the FF84 Reynard on ebay; can you please post the link asap?????

[blackcat]

Oops - my mistake - its an 84 Van Diemen - here is the link anyway - and for the Ray

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VAN-DIEMEN-RF8...item3a6021db74

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/race-car-formu...item3362c1b0ee

[pd88]

............thanks; I thought it was an 84 Reynard, not a Van Deimen

The 89 Ray is the ex-Pat Blackney car; Mike has rebuilt it from the bare chassis up, it will be spot on and like all his cars, it's like new!!

[flatbroke]

Originally Posted by pd88

............thanks; I thought it was an 84 Reynard, not a Van Deimen

The 89 Ray is the ex-Pat Blackney car; Mike has rebuilt it from the bare chassis up, it will be spot on and like all his cars, it's like new!!

I thought this is ken finnerams car that colin thorpe has built for him ??

[pd88]

……………..it is definitely the ex Blanckney car and the car that was in Mike’s workshop for some time; though last time I saw it Mike had just put the floor on it; not sure what happened after that, as I haven’t been to his workshop for a while. I just presumed that he had completed it; apologies if I’m mistaken

[youngoldy]

Getting back to the original thread...

I think we would be up for it with all 88VD 3 car turn out at each round.

Short and true on the Reynard situation, the Reynards are quick no doubt, but are beatable, you just need a good driver and good preperation.

Making it a fair championship shouldn't include excluding a particular
chassis from competing because its quick, its not fair on competitors using other chassis going out and prooving themselves, not giving a challenge, reducing the championships customers (suely people would prefere to race against a large grid full of quick cars, rather than small grid with not so quick cars?)

I think a 1.04.23 in an 88VD at Oulton Fosters, Parky in his 84 Reynard winning the '09 Nw Pre90, Goughy in Baxters Crossle are more than enough proof to the above comment.

Right, time to get out of here.

[FFmygale]

Originally Posted by FA73

The Classic Formula Ford Register would like to thank everyone who has contributed to the debate regarding our proposed Pre 90 FF1600 Pilot Series.

We recognise that the original proposal to exclude the Reynard 87/88/89 FF Cars (which was prompted only by their success in recent years in the popular NW FF1600 series) has proved controversial and that many people feel that the exclusion of these chassis is unnecessary and undesirable.

We are happy to listen to what people think particularly those who are recognised authorities on FF1600 during this period. We have certainly not adopted any entrenched position on this matter and there are no vested interests or hidden agendas involved. Our aim is only to try and establish a healthy Pre 90 FF1600 series to compliment our existing Pre82/Pre74 series and strengthen our Club for the benefit of all.

We therefore propose to amend the rules of this pilot series to allow all Pre 90 FF1600 chassis to compete.

If the Pilot series runs with enough success to make a more permanent race series worth considering then at that point any future Class Structure and any other rules can be reviewed with the wishes of all the participants being paramount when making any changes.

We should say that at present we have had 8 enquiries about the series and that 4 of these potential Drivers have requested the necessary form to join as associate members (pre 90) as we described in our original post.

We need a minimum of 12 registrations within the next 2-3 weeks if the series is to go ahead at all.

If you are interested in participating the series please contact Peter Hackett our Club Co-ordinator as soon as possible by email - P.Hackett@hotmail.co.uk

Finally we would like to reassure prospective and existing Pre 1982 Classic Formula Ford Register Members that promotion of the interests of the existing Classic FF1600 race series remains a top priority for the Committee, and that the work relating to the Pre 90 Pilot Series cannot and will not be allowed to reduce our efforts in that area.
　
Regards

The Classic Formula Ford Register Committee.

FANTASTIC news, and great to hear that common sense has prevailed! I would love to take part, although admittedly have no intention of travelling 'ooop north' due to pressures of work and family life, but would be keen participate in races south of donington (inclusive). how do I go about registering my interest?

Thanks

[dulon]

Just email Peter Hackett as soon as possible by email - P.Hackett@hotmail.co.uk

and he will send you the forms to fill in.

[pd88]

I would have thought there would be quite a strong Southern interest from the large contingent of the Castle Combe boy’s

[blackcat]

I'm in - anyone else ?

[flatbroke]

Originally Posted by blackcat

I'm in - anyone else ?

waiting for the form to arrive

[phantom lunger]

I was considering selling my 89 Reynard but if another competitive Pre 90 championship was created allowing me to race at alternative circuits to the North West it would be very tempting to keep the car and give it a go. I'm definately interested.

[pd88]

Originally Posted by phantom lunger

I was considering selling my 89 Reynard but if another competitive Pre 90 championship was created allowing me to race at alternative circuits to the North West it would be very tempting to keep the car and give it a go. I'm definately interested.

That great news; unless you own the Reynard that is potentially for sale and I'm thinking of purchasing

[phantom lunger]

I don't think it's mine?? ...besides, it would be like selling a vital organ, I don't think I could go through with it!

[SAMD]

Is this one of the 'it doesn't really matter what you drive', and, 'the Reynard is no better than anything else' chassis we are talking about here?