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Old 6 Jun 2009, 10:51 (Ref:2476438)   #2726
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This one???

www.autopics.com.au
If you email them they may have more shots in their archives.
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Old 7 Jun 2009, 21:46 (Ref:2477279)   #2727
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Thanks MtPanorama,
yeah, thats the one. I'll check with Autopics for more.
Thanks for the tip.

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Old 9 Jun 2009, 01:25 (Ref:2478056)   #2728
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I've been watching this thing decrease in price for about the last 6 months.. Started at about $12k and in now at $85K here and $95 on aust muscle cars..

What's wrong with it?? or is it just overpriced??

Amost at $70k.. about my price range.. unless anyone has a Group C for sale??!!
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Old 9 Jun 2009, 11:07 (Ref:2478296)   #2729
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Prices of exotic racing cars will be falling at not far behind the same rate as exotic road cars.

Luxury car items are one of the first things to drop in value in harsh financial times.
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Old 9 Jun 2009, 15:34 (Ref:2478454)   #2730
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Prices of exotic racing cars will be falling at not far behind the same rate as exotic road cars.

Luxury car items are one of the first things to drop in value in harsh financial times.
I think for truly historically significant cars they'll command a premium, but for cars without much history prices should drop like a rock.

There must be hundreds of V8 supercar chassis that were built since 1993.
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Old 11 Jun 2009, 06:04 (Ref:2479823)   #2731
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Garry Rogers drove the #16 Re-Car Commodore from Bathurst '82 in the first round of the 1983 ATCC at Calder, still in Re-Car colours. By Sandown this car had been sold to Rusty French, and Rogers drove Clive Benson-Browne's car after

Who crewed Rogers car at the Calder? Rogers own team from Sports Sedans?

Also David Parson's ran his own car in 1982 and 1983, did he prepare & organise it all himself?

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a list of there group C cars would be good also
A very rough guide of the Group C Roadways cars, there were at least 4;

1st car - started as a VB in 1980 driven by Charlie O'Brien, upgraded to VC for Bathurst. Presumebly used by Steve Harrington in 1981 & 1982 (upgraded to VH perhaps at end of 1982), and then used by Harrington in 1983?

2nd car - VH built by Roadways just prior to the start of the 1983 ATCC for Allan Grice

During 1983 Roadways also purchased the #4 Re-Car Commodore from 1982, which Grice swapped into a some point. Did Harrington then take-over the new-for-83 car?

Then at the end of 1984 Roadways built a new VK for Sandown and Bathurst. As mentioned earlier this car was converted to Group A in 1985 and eventually sold to Tony Kavich later that season
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Old 11 Jun 2009, 10:13 (Ref:2479931)   #2732
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HDT Chassis

A couple of years ago I saw a list (I recall on 10/10) of the chassis built by HDT, but am unable to locate it. Could someone please post it if they are aware of these details?
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Old 11 Jun 2009, 10:29 (Ref:2479940)   #2733
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Old 11 Jun 2009, 10:45 (Ref:2479949)   #2734
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Graeme Moore's VK Gp A was a HDT car, how many other customer cars were there? One was crashed heavily in early 87 at Lakeside by Jon Crooke (?)
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Old 11 Jun 2009, 11:02 (Ref:2479958)   #2735
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Graeme Moore's VK Gp A was a HDT car, how many other customer cars were there? One was crashed heavily in early 87 at Lakeside by Jon Crooke (?)
The Gerald Kay VK , was that a HDT built car ?
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Old 11 Jun 2009, 11:20 (Ref:2479969)   #2736
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A very rough guide of the Group C Roadways cars, there were at least 4;

1st car - started as a VB in 1980 driven by Charlie O'Brien, upgraded to VC for Bathurst. Presumebly used by Steve Harrington in 1981 & 1982 (upgraded to VH perhaps at end of 1982), and then used by Harrington in 1983?

2nd car - VH built by Roadways just prior to the start of the 1983 ATCC for Allan Grice

During 1983 Roadways also purchased the #4 Re-Car Commodore from 1982, which Grice swapped into a some point. Did Harrington then take-over the new-for-83 car?

Then at the end of 1984 Roadways built a new VK for Sandown and Bathurst. As mentioned earlier this car was converted to Group A in 1985 and eventually sold to Tony Kavich later that season[/QUOTE]

VH was a brand new chassis built in the middle of 82 was originally painted ready to be run in the Roadways white and yellow but before it hit the track STP came along and the car first appeared at Oran Park 250k endurance race and ran at Sandown and Bathurst.
Was crashed at its first apearence in the sat practice of Oran Park and got hit all over at Sandown and hit again at Bathurst, therefore got the nick of Elvis. Ended up as the IGNIS car of Mathews ?

Another VH was built for start of 2 car STP team for 83 but Grice wanted the 100mph Re-Car chassis so ended up with that car after 3 rounds, this car ended up as a Big Banger Roadways car in 84

There were atleast 2 VC-VB chassis or maybe more.
Finnigan ended up with one of the earlier ones,
one ended up being a reshelled Scotty Taylor car after one of his was damaged at Sandown when running as a Sports Sedan.
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Old 11 Jun 2009, 11:28 (Ref:2479974)   #2737
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GMS Winfield Commodore

This is the one that was in the Classic Throttle Shop isnt it?
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Old 11 Jun 2009, 11:33 (Ref:2479978)   #2738
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Graeme Moore's VK Gp A was a HDT car, how many other customer cars were there? One was crashed heavily in early 87 at Lakeside by Jon Crooke (?)
THought it was Gary Scott... and partially explained why he wasn't in the squad come enduro time...
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Old 11 Jun 2009, 11:53 (Ref:2479990)   #2739
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THought it was Gary Scott... and partially explained why he wasn't in the squad come enduro time...
Scott did return to the team after the crash, running at Surfers and Amaroo.... before then leaving (or not required anymore) to displace Brad Jones at Mitsubishi for Bathurst.
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GMS Winfield Commodore

This is the one that was in the Classic Throttle Shop isnt it?
It's a pity the paint job (at the rear) does not match what the car looked like in 1995.
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Thanks for the link GTR Magic.

Graham Moore's VK was the HDT 'T' car from Bathurst 85 that Allan Moffat tested here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6lzIQmxEZ0

Presumably it was the car Brock & Perkins had debuted at the Wellington 500 in January.

HDT built a batch of VKs in mid 85 for the privateer market. Gerald Kay and Alf Grant were both buyers. The Ray Smith Auckland Coin & Bullion car may have been another.
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Thanks for the link GTR Magic.

Graham Moore's VK was the HDT 'T' car from Bathurst 85 that Allan Moffat tested here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6lzIQmxEZ0

Presumably it was the car Brock & Perkins had debuted at the Wellington 500 in January.

HDT built a batch of VKs in mid 85 for the privateer market. Gerald Kay and Alf Grant were both buyers. The Ray Smith Auckland Coin & Bullion car may have been another.
yes ray smiths car was hdt
I think stones may have finished it. Stones spannered it.
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It's a pity the paint job (at the rear) does not match what the car looked like in 1995.
Yeah, that looks wrong, too much white. But, i don't remember what was correct. Perhaps the owner didn't either................
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The 95 livery had the white stripe continuing in more or less a straight line with the bottom touching the bottom lining up with the bottom of the tail light. The rear was all red with a Winfield Racing sign immediately below the spolier and a Yokohama sign on the bumper. The yellow stripe tapered up at the rear and continued across the rear. It was painted in the style illustrated when converted to a VS, albeit with the stripe in yellow. The car also had Ansett signage.

http://australianmusclecarsales.com....le_view/119979

For the pure enthusiasts, this chassis never raced as a VR in Winfield colours. Of the 93 cars only GMS002 was converted to a VR, this was the car destroyed by Skaife at Eastern Creek in January 95. The car advertised is GMS001 that was sold to Scotty Taylor, who raced it in VP specs until the end of 97.
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yes ray smiths car was hdt
I think stones may have finished it. Stones spannered it.
Quote from the Great Race Book "James Hardie 1000 1986/87" page 17 states

Graham Crosby decided to follow Francevic across the Tasman and bought the excellent Larry Perkins-built Auckland Bullion car run by Ray Smith/Denny Hulme in Wellington and Pukekohe,
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For anyone interested, in the Historic Racing section there is a thread on Group A Commodores in Europe

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...=97759&page=10

and another on Ford Sierras

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114111
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Quote from the Great Race Book "James Hardie 1000 1986/87" page 17 states

Graham Crosby decided to follow Francevic across the Tasman and bought the excellent Larry Perkins-built Auckland Bullion car run by Ray Smith/Denny Hulme in Wellington and Pukekohe,
Hang on, reading further into this Larry Perkins was still with the HDT to midway through 1985, and now reading from the 'Australian Touring Car Championship 30 Fabulous Years' book it states in the 1986 chapter that Graeme Crosby's MHDT built Commodore.

So sorry for the confusion!!!
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now reading from the 'Australian Touring Car Championship 30 Fabulous Years' book it states in the 1986 chapter that Graeme Crosby's MHDT built Commodore.

So sorry for the confusion!!!
Yes I seem to recall reading that somewhere a while ago too, I think from the very same book! Crosby's was an '85 Brock car IIRC?
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I think the ex-AC&B car Crosby drove was new when Denny Hulme & Ray Smith started with it in late-85, but as stated built new by MHDT.

After leaving HDT Perkins went to Dick Johnson in the Mustang, it was presumebly after this that he concentrated on starting his own concern up.

Where did the car go after Crosby's use of it in the early 1987 Nissan-Mobil Series (prior to its current status)? Peter Fitzgerald ran it in the 1988 Symmons Plains ATCC round.
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Auckland Coin & Bullion Holden Commodore VK

I presume the AC&B was Larry Perkins built, in that he would have been responsible for the building of the batch of VKs while he was still at HDT, so I think we can safely assume that it was one of the these.

Perkins Engineering was not founded until 86, with the first car debuting at the Sandown 500.
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