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Old 30 Jun 2011, 21:23 (Ref:2908869)   #91
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F1 is the soap opera of Motorsport. Nevertheless i enjoy F1. F1 is more about the drivers ego's and personalities and who has the best technical staff...


Adrian Newey is the King of aerodynamics. That is a thats why Red bull is in impecabble form.

More interesting is the fact that Adrian Newey was at Mclaren and had the fastest car there but poor Kimi Raikkonen couldn't buy any reliability there.

In a sense Along with Adrian newey comes reliability woes.
Steve Matchett had mentioned that numerous times on SPEED's F1 coverage. Newey likes to run the body as tight as possible and run less than most of designers think is necessary for cooling. This his cars are often fast but very fragile, not so sure he could ever be attracted over to sportscars.
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 21:25 (Ref:2908872)   #92
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F1 is dominated by a drinks manufactuer.

Admitedly, I don't follow F1 closely these days, yet I know all about Red Bull, Newey and Vettel, but it was only today, reading up on the 2014 engine switch, I realised they were powered by Renault.

In sportscars, the manufactuers is first, and foremost.

F1 can continue as is, but as a car fan, it has little relevance, if I follow a manufactuer, it will be in sportscars, rallying or touring cars.
F1 has no road relevance and never has, though in the last few years the FIA have been trying to push F1 down that path; their latest attempt is the V6 1.6L turbo which comes into effect in 2014.
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 21:38 (Ref:2908880)   #93
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I think with the Audi / Porsche debate, the one thing that could theoretically keep both there is the fact that more competition = more interest. If both were there then the perceived level of competition raises even if VAG has an even stronger chance of one of its brands triumphing.

I'd say interest in Le Mans in the media is higher with Peugeot vs Audi than in the years preceding it, 2002/3 being the possible exceptions because of the perceived triumph of Bentley over Audi.
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 21:43 (Ref:2908881)   #94
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Steve Matchett had mentioned that numerous times on SPEED's F1 coverage. Newey likes to run the body as tight as possible and run less than most of designers think is necessary for cooling. This his cars are often fast but very fragile, not so sure he could ever be attracted over to sportscars.
Newey loves Sportscars and Le Mans!
Last year he competed in a Ferrari at Le Mans...

Also the Red Bull is a very reliable car this year. But yes, Newey likes to push the design to the limit, but i think he finally learned the lection.

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F1 has no road relevance and never has, though in the last few years the FIA have been trying to push F1 down that path; their latest attempt is the V6 1.6L turbo which comes into effect in 2014.
F1 has but a lot of development into technologies found in todays cars. (Just see Computer controlled engines)

But we are going of topic of this amazing news.
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 21:54 (Ref:2908886)   #95
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WOW, WOW, WOW. What fantastic news to wake up to. The long awaited and much anticipated return is now going to happen. My son actually woke me at about midnight to tell me. What a great day.....well, for us Porsche nuts, anyway.
I wonder if Ferrari will now have the balls to come back to P1.
you mean like porshce never did in F1
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 22:30 (Ref:2908907)   #96
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Well, letīs begin speculation:

1 - Wich Engine ???
2 - Coupe or open ???
3 - Driverīs ????
4 - Teamīs ???
5 - How much Horsepower ???
6 - Hibrid ????

I Love Speculation
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Newey loves Sportscars and Le Mans!
Last year he competed in a Ferrari at Le Mans...
Wow, Porsche going to P1 is a long way off if it's only 2008 right now.
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 22:37 (Ref:2908913)   #98
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Wow, Porsche going to P1 is a long way off if it's only 2008 right now.
Was that 2008!? - wow i'm getting old (and only being 20years)
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 22:42 (Ref:2908916)   #99
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the big Porsche display in the museum at LM this year suddenly makes sense .... great news!!!
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Was that 2008!? - wow i'm getting old (and only being 20years)
It was 2007, so we'd be in 2008 if it had only been a year ago
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I just checked the racing news for the day and saw this whopper. Well, Porsche back at Le Mans, it just makes sense. Too much sense.

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Im a pessimist, but I love looking through forums and people always find to see this as a bad thing: Audi pulling out, what happens if Peugeot pulls out, too many manufacturers in LMP1, LMP1 is too expensive, Honda will go to DP, evil aliens in tin spaceships destroying Circuit de La Sarthe, ect.
I do think it is legitimate to think that more serious competition will lead to some of the other companies on the fence to question the investment it will take to be competitive. On the other hand, some may see the increased competition as a sign that Le Mans is the place to be. What will happen? It's hard to say. Will we see companies jump in in 2012 or 2013 with the "old" rules? I don't know again. We'll see.

As far as Audi goes, I don't know if they will stay or not. If they do, I wonder if they (and Peugeot if they stay) will stick with diesel. It may be wise for them to do what Peugeot does in the hopes of getting favorable French regulations, but I don't know. Someone who did the pit visit said that Audi was saying that a legitimate petrol team would have an advantage. I don't know, they might be right. We'll see. We could see signs of this if a legitimate petrol team comes in for 2012/13, but the move to a fuel consumption formula could change things.

But, yes, although there is a lot of excitement now, what will the petrol whiners say when a petrol team comes in and kicks the behind of all the privateer petrol runners? Dave Richards and others are going to lose their excuse. Will their teams go with them?
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 22:49 (Ref:2908920)   #102
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 23:27 (Ref:2908935)   #103
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Will there even be an ALMS to be back in in 2014?!
When you consider future LMP and GTE options, the fallback option of GT3, and lacklustre state of GA, if the ALMS cannot make a go of things, I worry if there's any hope for professional sportscar racing in NA.

Previous sportscar failures where down to lack of new machinery, quite the opposite of todays scenario, should the ALMS fail, even with WEC competition, it will be down to poor management and lack of interest.
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 23:45 (Ref:2908939)   #104
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Greatest News!!!!
The last Porsche winner Le Mans, The 911 GT1 1998 was one of the most beautiful sport cars of all times, I would like that the new car will be as beautiful as this.
Perhaps this news pushes to japaneses brands to return too.
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Someone who did the pit visit said that Audi was saying that a legitimate petrol team would have an advantage.
I read that from the garave visit thread. Would be really interesting to know who said that and did he have some sort of agenda... the fact that both (& Peugeot) chose diesel, should speak for itself.
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