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Old 26 Jan 2013, 20:54 (Ref:3194610)   #46
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Can anyone confirm if larry perkins turned a wheel at this meeting?and does anybody have photos of the car he was entered in
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Adelaide Grand Prix Circuit, SA (4-5/11/1989)


Circuit Length: 3.78 km

A bumper entry for the final touring car races of the year, though not all would make it. The format of the meeting had changed for the tourers, with two short sprints on the programme instead of the previous 120-km race on the Saturday.

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NumberEntrantDriverCar
2Nissan Motor SportJim RichardsNissan Skyline GTS-R HR-31
3Nissan Motor SportGeorge FuryNissan Skyline GTS-R HR-31
4Caltex CXT Racing TeamColin BondFord Sierra Cosworth RS500
05Mobil 1 RacingPeter BrockFord Sierra Cosworth RS500
6Miedecke MotorsportAndrew MiedeckeFord Sierra Cosworth RS500
7Holden Racing TeamNeil CromptonHolden Commodore VL (TWR)
8Phil Ward Automotive ServicesPhil WardMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16
9Allan Moffat EnterprisesAllan MoffatFord Sierra Cosworth RS500
10Phil Ward Automotive ServicesGarry JonesMercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16
11Holden Racing TeamLarry PerkinsHolden Commodore VL (TWR)
12Nissan Motor SportMark SkaifeNissan Skyline GTS-R HR-31
13Bob Holden MotorsBob HoldenToyota Corolla AE86 Liftback
14Murray CarterMurray CarterFord Sierra Cosworth RS500
15Les SwallowLes SwallowFord Sierra Cosworth RS500
16Holden Racing TeamWin PercyHolden Commodore VL (TWR)
17Shell Ultra Hi RacingDick JohnsonFord Sierra Cosworth RS500
18Shell Ultra Hi RacingJohn BoweFord Sierra Cosworth RS500
19Caltex CXT Racing TeamKen MathewsFord Sierra Cosworth RS500
20Benson & Hedges RacingNeville CrichtonFord Sierra Cosworth RS500
23BeaurepairesChris LambdenHolden Commodore VL (TWR)
24JagpartsGerald KayHolden Commodore VL (TWR)
25Benson & Hedges RacingTony LonghurstFord Sierra Cosworth RS500
26Tony NoskeTony NoskeHolden Commodore VL (TWR)
28Joe SommarivaJoe SommarivaBMW 635CSi
29Capri ComponentsLawrie NelsonFord Mustang
30Peter Jackson RacingGlenn SetonFord Sierra Cosworth RS500
32Toyota Team AustraliaJohn FaulknerToyota Corolla AE92 Hatch
33Maurice PickeringMaurice PickeringHolden Commodore VK
34Garry RogersGarry RogersHolden Commodore VL (TWR)
35Peter Jackson RacingTBAFord Sierra Cosworth RS500
39David SalaDavid SalaToyota Corolla AE82 Hatch
40F.A.I. Insurance GroupAllan GriceHolden Commodore VL (TWR)
41Leeson Civil EngineeringJohn LeesonHolden Commodore VL (TWR)
42Matt WackerMatt WackerHolden Commodore VL (TWR)
45Lester SmerdonAlf GrantHolden Commodore VL (TWR)
46Riethmuller Pentecost RacingLlynden RiethmullerHolden Commodore VL (TWR)
48MisticWayne ParkHolden Commodore VL (TWR)
51Bob Holden MotorsDennis RogersToyota Corolla AE86 Liftback
52M3 MotorsportJohn CotterBMW M3
53M3 MotorsportPeter DoulmanBMW M3
54Clive SmithClive SmithNissan Skyline DR30
55Playscape Racing AustraliaKevin WaldockFord Sierra Cosworth RS500
80Paul NaughtonPaul NaughtonFord Mustang
86GemsparesDaryl HendrickHolden Commodore VL (TWR)
99Richard ScarfRic ScarfHolden Commodore VK
105Mobil 1 RacingBrad JonesFord Sierra Cosworth RS500

Race 1 (4/11/1989)
Race Distance: 9 laps (15 laps scheduled, race distance reduced due to accident during first start)
Weather: Sunny

A crash and bash affair, this one. Skaife was the first domino to fall, getting punted into the fence as the field exited the chicane on the first lap. The damage ended his weekend. Brock led from Longhurst, Seton, Miedecke, Bowe and Johnson. Bowe was struggling with a misfire, which eventually caused his to spin into the wall when the car cut out mid-corner. Coming down to the final hairpin for the third time, Johnson tapped the back of Miedecke, sending the Kenwood Sierra hard left into the wall. Meanwhile further around the corner, Bond had a half-spin and was collected by Percy. The race was red-flagged as marshalls put out a fire at the front of Miedecke's car, while Miedecke himself went back to the pits to confront Johnson. Miedecke was scheduled to air-freight his car to Fuji for the Intertec 500, but the damage curtailed the plans. Sadly, it would be the last hurrah for Miedecke's independent efforts. He signed a deal to race for Brock in NZ and for 1990, soon putting the Kenwood Sierra on the market and selling the team to Kevin Waldock.

Brock led away from the restart while Johnson made his way into second past Longhurst and Seton down Brabham Straight. Longhurst soon found himself unchallanged out in front as first Brock then Johnson spun out of the lead, and Seton retired with a broken half-shaft. He went on to win the shortened race from a recovering Brock and Percy.

PositionNumberEntrantDriversCarRace Time/LapsRetirement CauseFastest TimeQualifying TimeGrid Position
125Benson & Hedges RacingTony LonghurstFord Sierra Cosworth RS50015m48.01s 1m43.98s1m41.46s2
205Mobil 1 RacingPeter BrockFord Sierra Cosworth RS50015m50.73s 1m43.60s1m41.07s1
316Holden Racing TeamWin PercyHolden Commodore VL (TWR)15m58.15s 1m44.96s1m45.42s9
42Nissan Motor SportJim RichardsNissan Skyline GTS-R HR-3115m59.45s 1m44.85s1m43.19s8
54Caltex CXT Race TeamColin BondFord Sierra Cosworth RS50016m00.69s 1m45.36s1m42.88s6
63Nissan Motor SportGeorge FuryNissan Skyline GTS-R HR-3116m01.90s 1m45.43s1m44.20s12
717Shell Ultra Hi RacingDick JohnsonFord Sierra Cosworth RS50016m04.10s 1m43.02s1m43.00s7
840F.A.I. Insurance GroupAllan GriceHolden Commodore VL (TWR)16m13.16s 1m45.91s1m43.52s10
97Holden Racing TeamNeil CromptonHolden Commodore VL (TWR)16m13.57s 1m46.19s1m45.83s14
1023BeaurepairesChris LambdenHolden Commodore VL (TWR)16m26.27s 1m47.28s1m46.37s 
DNF30Peter Jackson RacingGlenn SetonFord Sierra Cosworth RS5004 lapshalf-shaft1m44.44s1m42.67s4
DNF105Mobil 1 RacingBrad JonesFord Sierra Cosworth RS5002 laps 1m49.10s1m43.83s13
DNS18Shell Ultra Hi RacingJohn BoweFord Sierra Cosworth RS500 accident - first start 1m42.76s5
DNS6Miedecke MotorsportAndrew MiedeckeFord Sierra Cosworth RS500 accident - first start 1m42.10s3
DNS12Nissan Motor SportMark SkaifeNissan Skyline GTS-R HR-31 accident - first start  11

Heat 2 (5/11/1989)
Race Distance: 10 laps
Weather: Rain

The foul weather that plagued the F1 race also afflicted the touring car race, the rain starting to fall with the cars already on the grid. Richards got the jump from the second row to lead early, before Longhurst and Bond passed the Nissan on Brabham Straight. I've haven't seen this race since it happened, and the report in AMRY isn't very extensive, just saying that this race was considerably less incident-packed compared to the previous day.

PositionNumberEntrantDriversCarRace Time/LapsRetirement CauseFastest TimeGrid Position
125Benson & Hedges RacingTony LonghurstFord Sierra Cosworth RS50020m40.20s 2m01.70s1
24Caltex CXT Race TeamColin BondFord Sierra Cosworth RS50020m41.13s 2m01.96s5
317Shell Ultra Hi RacingDick JohnsonFord Sierra Cosworth RS50020m50.07s 2m01.65s7
42Nissan Motor SportJim RichardsNissan Skyline GTS-R HR-3120m52.07s 2m01.93s4
505Mobil 1 RacingPeter BrockFord Sierra Cosworth RS50020m52.64s 2m01.79s2
640F.A.I. Insurance GroupAllan GriceHolden Commodore VL (TWR)21m02.81s 2m03.12s8
73Nissan Motor SportGeorge FuryNissan Skyline GTS-R HR-3121m15.76s 2m02.06s6
88Phil Ward Automotive ServicesPhil WardMercedes-Benz 190E-1621m20.78s 2m05.28s 
97Holden Racing TeamNeil CromptonHolden Commodore VL (TWR)21m22.08s 2m04.68s9
10105Mobil 1 RacingBrad JonesFord Sierra Cosworth RS50021m22.67s 2m02.24s 
DNF16Holden Racing TeamWin PercyHolden Commodore VL (TWR) tyres 3
DNS6Miedecke MotorsportAndrew MiedeckeFord Sierra Cosworth RS500 accident - race 1  
DNS12Nissan Motor SportMark SkaifeNissan Skyline GTS-R HR-31 accident - race 1  
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Old 27 Jan 2013, 04:59 (Ref:3194776)   #47
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Can anyone confirm if larry perkins turned a wheel at this meeting?and does anybody have photos of the car he was entered in
The TV coverage doesn't mention Larry at all

Was there enough cars in the Perkins/TWR setup available at the time for 3 to actually be run at that meeting?
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The TV coverage doesn't mention Larry at all

Was there enough cars in the Perkins/TWR setup available at the time for 3 to actually be run at that meeting?
Nope, according to the Auto Action report:
"The Commodore ranks were led by the factory cars driven by Win Percy and Neil Crompton, leaving Larry Perkins a somewhat disgruntled onlooker for the weekend. Percy ran the same car that he and Perkins shared at Bathurst, while Crompton (ran) Perkins' own car in place of the old 'Herbie Clips' car he ran at the 'Mount', that car having been sold by HSV."
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Old 27 Jan 2013, 21:42 (Ref:3195059)   #49
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Thanks for the info.

The reason I ask is a friend has purchased an ex Herbie clips car and it is currently still in 1989 HRT colours and the logbook has an entry for the AGP in 1989 so on the hunt for info
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Thanks for the info.

The reason I ask is a friend has purchased an ex Herbie clips car and it is currently still in 1989 HRT colours and the logbook has an entry for the AGP in 1989 so on the hunt for info
From Auto Action, Oct 20 1989:
"Meanwhile, the number 7 VL Commodore, raced by Percy & Crompton at Bathurst, has been sold to a racing team in Indonesia, and will be raced this weekend in a touring car street race by - of all people - the son of the President of Indonesia!
"John Harvey and Larry Perkins will be travelling to Indonesia to surpervise the car's first outing."

Photo here from Auto Action, Dec 22 1989 showing a car in HRT colours:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...psf0bba6f5.jpg

Edit: Just thinking that if the above pair of articles are about the same car, then it's interesting that the second article mentions the car returning to Melbourne for repairs, possibly sometime around late Oct. So a trip to Adelaide in Nov to get a stamp in the log book while testing the repairs during a practice session is a possibility.

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i really would love to see the AGP support race 2. Won by Longhurst in dreadful conditions
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I believe the reason that Perkins didn't race at the AGP in 1989 was purely Tom Walkinshaw. The pair really didn't get along, only working together for convenience sake. When HSV started there were really only 2 top Holden teams to choose from to run any factory outfit. Roadways and Perkins and Tom had no love for Roadways or Gricey after the 1986 ETCC and that left Perkins by default. Perkins was logical though as he had previous factory links via the HDT. Tom as HSV owner and effectively the HRT team owner (even though the HRT was contracted to Perkins Engineering) basically told Larry he couldn't race in Adelaide, that he wanted Percy and Crompton in the cars. It left an understandably angry Perkins out of a drive in his own team. It effectively saw the end of the road for the uneasy relationship between TWR and Perkins Engineering.

Tom Walkinshaw had this unwritten rule that senior TWR management (other than himself) could not take part in dangerous activities. One of those dangerous activities was being a race car driver. He made the odd exception such as Win Percy having the dual role of HRT team manager and lead driver in 1990-91, but for the most part he stuck to it. This rule almost cost John Harvey a drive at Bathurst in 1988. After Harves turned down a drive in the #40 HSV Team car (he had played #2 to Brock for 10 years and wasn't about to play #3. His co-driver was to be Percy from what I have read), Uncle Tom invoked his dangerous activities rule on Harves who at the time was (I think) HSV's marketing manager. It was only intense lobbying by Harves that saw Walkinshaw finally relent and allow him to drive the Bob Forbes Commodore with Kevin Bartlett. As it was I believe it turned out to be Harvey's last ever race as he retired from driving soon after. It was also Walkinshaw's final race as well I think.
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bought the 1989 Bathurst yearbook on eBay last week. It arrived in today's mail. Woohoo!
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bought the 1989 Bathurst yearbook on eBay last week. It arrived in today's mail. Woohoo!
Is it still the most expensive one after the '82 yearbook? The matt paper was a disappointed when originally released.
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I paid $80 for it. I paid $150 for 1992, but 1991 is over $300 and 1990 is over $400. I won't be getting those two...
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I believe the reason that Perkins didn't race at the AGP in 1989 was purely Tom Walkinshaw. The pair really didn't get along, only working together for convenience sake. When HSV started there were really only 2 top Holden teams to choose from to run any factory outfit. Roadways and Perkins and Tom had no love for Roadways or Gricey after the 1986 ETCC and that left Perkins by default. Perkins was logical though as he had previous factory links via the HDT. Tom as HSV owner and effectively the HRT team owner (even though the HRT was contracted to Perkins Engineering) basically told Larry he couldn't race in Adelaide, that he wanted Percy and Crompton in the cars. It left an understandably angry Perkins out of a drive in his own team. It effectively saw the end of the road for the uneasy relationship between TWR and Perkins Engineering.

Tom Walkinshaw had this unwritten rule that senior TWR management (other than himself) could not take part in dangerous activities. One of those dangerous activities was being a race car driver. He made the odd exception such as Win Percy having the dual role of HRT team manager and lead driver in 1990-91, but for the most part he stuck to it. This rule almost cost John Harvey a drive at Bathurst in 1988. After Harves turned down a drive in the #40 HSV Team car (he had played #2 to Brock for 10 years and wasn't about to play #3. His co-driver was to be Percy from what I have read), Uncle Tom invoked his dangerous activities rule on Harves who at the time was (I think) HSV's marketing manager. It was only intense lobbying by Harves that saw Walkinshaw finally relent and allow him to drive the Bob Forbes Commodore with Kevin Bartlett. As it was I believe it turned out to be Harvey's last ever race as he retired from driving soon after. It was also Walkinshaw's final race as well I think.
While i don't doubt that Perkins and Walkinshaw had an uneasy relationship, and the TWR 'unwritten rule' does seem to add up (although any deal with Perkins would have been done knowing full well he was still an active driver), are we sure that the reason Perkins didn't drive at the 1989 AGP really wasn't just simply the fact that there were not enough cars?

Percy and Crompton were signed as the factory drivers for 1989 and were originally supposed to do the full ATCC, they were even entered for Amaroo. Perkins Engineering's deal to run the HRT team at the end of 1989 probably included ensuring that Percy and Crompton were part of the driving line up, so when they only had 2 cars available for the AGP, those two drivers had to get priority.

From what i've read the original intention at Bathurst 1988 was always to run the #40 car and Percy was going to be one of the drivers, but then Nissan Europe decided to send the #23 ETCC Nissan down to Bathurst and Percy was one of the contracted drivers along with Grice, so the #40 was effectively left as the spare. Then at the last minute Nissan Europe decided not to send the ETCC Nissan to Bathurst leaving Percy and Grice in the lurch. Percy tried to get the #40 car happening again, while Grice went about putting together a deal for the #2 Roadways/ICL Commodore (at times the likes of Ravaglia and Pirro were linked as co-drivers in this car) that was originally meant to be a spare for the #33 Rogers/Andretti entry. In the end Grice and Percy teamed up in the #2 Commodore with sponsorship from FAI, a deal helped put together through Grice's insurance broker.

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I paid $80 for it. I paid $150 for 1992, but 1991 is over $300 and 1990 is over $400. I won't be getting those two...
My copy of "The Great Race 1990/91" book that I was given as a kid had about 10 pages in the middle repeated.... as a kid i found it funny, now i find it annoying, it meant ten pages in the middle are effectively missing
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From what i've read the original intention at Bathurst 1988 was always to run the #40 car and Percy was going to be one of the drivers, but then Nissan Europe decided to send the #23 ETCC Nissan down to Bathurst and Percy was one of the contracted drivers along with Grice, so the #40 was effectively left as the spare. Then at the last minute Nissan Europe decided not to send the ETCC Nissan to Bathurst leaving Percy and Grice in the lurch. Percy tried to get the #40 car happening again, while Grice went about putting together a deal for the #2 Roadways/ICL Commodore (at times the likes of Ravaglia and Pirro were linked as co-drivers in this car) that was originally meant to be a spare for the #33 Rogers/Andretti entry. In the end Grice and Percy teamed up in the #2 Commodore with sponsorship from FAI, a deal helped put together through Grice's insurance broker.
IIRC Garry Rogers originally wanted Mario Andretti as his co-driver and had actually spoken to him out it. Rogers was hopeful that having Mario on board would help him land a major sponsor. However, Mario was unavailable to drive so recommended his nephew John. Unfortunately it was John who put the car into the wall during the race, but to his credit he took it on the chin and admitted to driver error.

John Andretti did go on to win the inaugural Gold Coast Indy race in 1991, a surprise winner if I am not mistaken.

I'll admit that I wasn't aware the Grice/Percy car was originally intended to be the spare for Rogers, though I do know that the two cars were crewed by Les Small's Roadways outfit for the weekend. I was also unaware of the potential Ravaglia and Pirro link. The things you learn

Holden's unsung hero that weekend really was the Brian Callaghan / Barry Graham car. You can bet Holden breathed a very big sigh of relief when their car, the first Commodore home in 6th spot, was one of the new VL SV models. Finishing in 7th and 8th were the VK Commodore's of Tony Hunter and Steve Harrington and Gerald Kay and Geoff Munday respectively. The speedway boys saved Holden from an extremely embarrassing failure of their new Group A challenger. At least Larry Perkins recognised the significance of their result and contacted his customer personally to acknowledge it, even if Holden didn't. Callaghan later said that after an engine failure in practice (the same failure which would take the #10 Perkins car out of the race), he had a feeling that some of the parts in the new fuel injected V8 weren't quite up to it so he replaced them. Perkins also said that he wished he had followed their lead and done the same thing because a number of the new Commodore's (especially the PE built ones) failed in the race with the same engine failures.
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