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Old 16 Sep 2008, 15:14 (Ref:2291837)   #31
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I have just received some photos from a contact in Germany.
I am fairly confident the car I own is the Toshiba liveried car in the rear of one image.
I am told these photos are from later in 77, so after the Gp2/Gp5 cars were replaced with the late spec Gp5 cars.

Kurtiejjj, there are also a few shots of a car in the same livery to the Ringshausen car but in Blue/Red and with different number?
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Old 16 Sep 2008, 20:22 (Ref:2292026)   #32
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@ZAK65 have you read my PM yet ?

These are seriously brilliant photos by the way! This proves their were 4 Zakspeed Escort Gp5s! I was still thinking that one might have been liveried differently for various drivers throughout the season.

That means the Ringshausen car must still be somewhere. By the way you can notice it was an early car if you look at the rear wing, it's different than on later escorts, aero package is different as well in some details. I still haven't heard anything from Ringshausen, perhaps I should pay them a visit when I'm in germany.

The Ringshausen pic I posted was from 1978, which would explain the different number.
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Old 17 Sep 2008, 12:51 (Ref:2292471)   #33
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I can't remember whether it was 1971 or 72 when I was working for Wooding in Hamburg. At that time Zak was running a 1300cc Escort. We built two Escorts during the winter. Maurice Gomm (not sure of the spelling) prepared the shells for us. I brought them back to Hamburg in the transporter. The back axles came from Ford Cologne and were aluminium. The suspension links were clamped on as opposed to being welded, a bit like a large SU throttle arm! There were four trailing links and a Watt's linkage. The leaf springs were replaced with Teflon ones, which did absolutely nothing, springing was supplied by East to West crossed over tortion bars (modified Morris Marina from memory). The cars were completed over the winter, testing completed and all the spares prepared. Wooding went bust before the season started and Zak bought the transporter, cars and spares which were all ready to go! I went back to the UK and never found out how the cars performed or what Zak did with them.
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Old 17 Sep 2008, 13:14 (Ref:2292485)   #34
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Hello Gary, and welcome to Ten-Tenths .... Got told there was a guy asking about the 5's ... had a feeling it would be you
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Old 17 Sep 2008, 16:16 (Ref:2292603)   #35
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Hi Gary,

I'm trying to fill in some of the blanks form the cars DRM time, this is a great place to start.

Kurtiejjj, yes I got the PM, will follow that up soon. Thanks.

Also another interesting photo.
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Old 17 Sep 2008, 17:48 (Ref:2292658)   #36
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Hi Alex,

The car in the photos is still waiting for restoration. What Kurtiejjj is saying is that there was another Zakspeed space frame car which is now been cut up and scraped. What I know of this car is that it was in a very bad way, so striping out all the good parts was the only option. Somewhere I have a photo of the chassis # of the scraped car, I will look for it.
How long ago was the car offered to you? Where was it located at that time?

Gary.
I have this chassis# and think this is off the car that was scraped. ZAK 01 G5 77
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Old 17 Sep 2008, 18:46 (Ref:2292692)   #37
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I have this chassis# and think this is off the car that was scraped. ZAK 01 G5 77
Hmm, interesting, As far as I know the scraped car I was talking about was the last Gp5 escort built, the one Boller drove in 1980.

ZAK 01 G5 77 is as far as I understand Heyer's car. Do you actually have the chassis plate or just a photo?
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Old 17 Sep 2008, 18:52 (Ref:2292696)   #38
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I was told that the car was driven by Heyer first & then when he got a new car Hahne drove it.
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Old 17 Sep 2008, 18:57 (Ref:2292700)   #39
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I only have a photo and this is what I was told. Sounds as if there could be some mix up. I do have some other photos of the car with the chassis in many parts, but these will take a while to find!!

Alex, I think you are right to say the car would have been driven by Heyer and then Hahne. What I know about my car is that in 76 (Gp2) it was piloted by Ludwig, then converted to Gp5, driven by Heyer and then when the new Gp5 cars came along it was used as the 3rd Zakspeed car for the 77 season.
It seems to be that Heyer was always given the new cars.

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Old 18 Sep 2008, 10:20 (Ref:2293086)   #40
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To add more possible confusion,the Racing Sportscars site shows a plain white car #54 driven by Armin Siefener to 9th place in the '78 Nurburgring DRM race.Car entered by Zakspeed/Mampe.
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Old 18 Sep 2008, 16:52 (Ref:2293244)   #41
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Am I allowed to add even more confusion? Look at this page, from the N'ring Supersprint 1978; http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-01-photo.html Jürgen Weiler also driving a white Zak Escort Gp5 with #54.
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Old 18 Sep 2008, 17:32 (Ref:2293266)   #42
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A few years ago this was posted on a german forum:
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Hat ja endlich geklappt mit dem hochladen dann folgen noch einige Bilder! Mit dem Neuseelandescort möchte ich widersprechen bei dem handelt es sich nämlich um eines der ersten G5 Autos von Zak. und der "gestrippte" ist eindeutig ein komplettes Rohrrahmenauto in seiner wohl letzten evostufe (leider) denn dann kamen die Capris (wohl in erster linie aus Firmenpolitischen Gründen von Ford)denn 1980 kam ja schon der Escort 3 mit Frontantrieb. Bei dem Neuseelandescort handelt es sich meinen Nachforschungen zufolge um das Auto von Dr. Thomas Betzler (Toshiba-Sponsor) ,welches widerum das erste Auto von Armin Hahne war, Betzler fuhr es nur einige male in 1977 dann wurde es mehr oder weniger aufs Abstellgleis geschoben und unter anderem von A.Siefener (54) und dem mit der METZ-Werbung (dasselbe Auto, Name vom Fahrer ist mir gerade nicht bekannt) Dann kam es irgentwie nach Macao und wurde in dem Bereich auch bewegt bis es der Neuseeländer bekam und auch fast fertig ist mit der Restauration.(Geld bewegt viel und schnell).So nun mal ein paar Bilder.
Basically says that gary's car was driven in 1977 by Hahne and then Dr Betzler, 1978 by Siefener und Weiler in METZ livery.

This however clashes with Gary's own information which states his car was at Macau 1977 and then sold there. Obviously this is the right scenario as he's got the papers to proof it!
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Old 18 Sep 2008, 18:18 (Ref:2293283)   #43
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Kurtiejjj,

This is all very interesting, at the start of this thread I mentioned the car was in Macau in 78 and left there, as I have also stated from info supplied from Leif Norberg the car was in Macau in 77, however I now think Leif may be one year out. I will call Leif in the next few days to check this. Zakspeed entered cars in Macau 77 and 78, to me he has his years wrong??
I appreciate everyones input here as getting to the bottom of the history is very important to me.
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Old 18 Sep 2008, 18:35 (Ref:2293291)   #44
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Hi again,

I also think that calling any one car the "Heyer Car" is hard to do, as I am sure Heyer drove most Gp2/Gp5 cars Zakspeed during this period. Heyer drove my car at some point.
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Old 18 Sep 2008, 19:35 (Ref:2293314)   #45
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I can't remember whether it was 1971 or 72 when I was working for Wooding in Hamburg. At that time Zak was running a 1300cc Escort. We built two Escorts during the winter. Maurice Gomm (not sure of the spelling) prepared the shells for us. I brought them back to Hamburg in the transporter. The back axles came from Ford Cologne and were aluminium. The suspension links were clamped on as opposed to being welded, a bit like a large SU throttle arm! There were four trailing links and a Watt's linkage. The leaf springs were replaced with Teflon ones, which did absolutely nothing, springing was supplied by East to West crossed over tortion bars (modified Morris Marina from memory). The cars were completed over the winter, testing completed and all the spares prepared. Wooding went bust before the season started and Zak bought the transporter, cars and spares which were all ready to go! I went back to the UK and never found out how the cars performed or what Zak did with them.
Wooding escorts were driven by Jörg Obermoser and Gerhard Schüler in 1972 in the DRM. Any chance they went bust in 1973??
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