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Old 12 Dec 2016, 10:26 (Ref:3695482)   #91
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I would guess if he has lost his Monster backing, he wouldn't be able to afford a full campaign, so this might be his only option, to keep himself in the limelight so to speak.

Was running the DS3 on some road in Dubai I think recently, footage of him doing stupid speed on a straight. The car is tuned to death now.
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Old 12 Dec 2016, 12:17 (Ref:3695497)   #92
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I would guess if he has lost his Monster backing, he wouldn't be able to afford a full campaign, so this might be his only option, to keep himself in the limelight so to speak.

Was running the DS3 on some road in Dubai I think recently, footage of him doing stupid speed on a straight. The car is tuned to death now.
I haven't seen that? There are some clips of the car in California, I think its part of filming for the third Doonies film (participation in which implies that he hasn't lost Monster backing).
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Old 12 Dec 2016, 12:53 (Ref:3695504)   #93
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I was just guessing, hoping more than anything as as long as he is associated with them means I will not be buying any of their products in the near future and I would buy the odd sugar free can now and then in the summer.

Has anyone heard of bad publicity?

Especially since the Gatebil saga. I wrote to Monster too, hope a few others did!
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Old 14 Dec 2016, 17:10 (Ref:3696184)   #94
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Ah, I didn't know about that! That's an interesting development, are there enough Group B cars in Europe with owners willing to use them?

I'm still holding out for my British Championship theory: would love to see an RS200 mixing it with the newer machinery one last time!
Steve, yes there are enough suitable cars (and drivers with budgets) for there to be some Group B-related competition in 2017 and it's fantastic that Martin is happy to endorse the Championship bearing his name.

There was a Group B rallycross display at Lydden over the WRX weekend, of course and there was a static display and on-track racing at Mettet, France last autumn. This brought out a fine array of two wheel and four wheel drive Group B machinery including Renault 5s, a Renault Alpine, a Quattro, two MG Metro 6R4s (Mark Flaherty and Rob Gibson), a Pug 205 T16 and Pat Doran in 'Rosie' the RS200 amongst others. Am going by memory so can't recall the other cars taking part.

Like you, I'd love to see the Group B cars competing against the modern supercars. Can't see that happening over the same meeting that the Group B cars are competing against eachother, though.

Shirley Gibson has been working on the Martin Schanche Trophy for some while now and it's going to be fascinating to see what happens in the new season.

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Old 15 Dec 2016, 08:41 (Ref:3696357)   #95
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I think this is largely a good idea.

My only personal issue with it is that it will be used by IMG as a replacement for other formula's, especially in the UK. Next year we don't even have S1600 which is good racing and a variety of cars, instead we have the Norwegian rwd championship. And of course this GpB thing.

So as a fan you are being sort of short changed compared to a fan in Sweden or France where you get ERC too, and you can bet we will be paying more yet again in 2017 if we go. I will not be this year, unless they get say 20 GpB cars there!!

And being brutally honest, a lot of them look great but run like a bag of nails, a lot of them seem to have permanent misfires which takes away some of the spectacle. I have never seen or heard the Gollop Metro run properly and I have seen it a few times now, the Doran RS200 hasn't run right the two times I saw it, though it seemed OK in France and the Iversen Rs200 was a bag of nails.

Gibbo's car always runs well and Enda's Metro did as did the ex Wiklund car, so I hope they do get them running better.

If they run a proper series that might sort itself out I hope

As a further note, there has been some news that the ex Gollop 309 has been purchased and is going to be rebuilt into a broadly simil;ar car to what Will used in 93. The previous owner has been on here in the past looking for info but thankfully didn't do much with it, so as a shell it is pretty much as it was. I think the guy that runs the ex Needell Metro has bought it, so hopefully he can get it to run better than the Metro does!!

SO looking ahead you have that, and Terry Maynard's RS200 coming too.
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So as a fan you are being sort of short changed compared to a fan in Sweden or France where you get ERC too, and you can bet we will be paying more yet again in 2017 if we go. I will not be this year, unless they get say 20 GpB cars there!!
Have to agree here - the British round of the WRX is looking less and less appealing - lower entry in WRX, poor support class, high ticket cost. Sad to say really but it's not looking like a 'must see' any more.

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As a further note, there has been some news that the ex Gollop 309 has been purchased and is going to be rebuilt into a broadly simil;ar car to what Will used in 93. The previous owner has been on here in the past looking for info but thankfully didn't do much with it, so as a shell it is pretty much as it was. I think the guy that runs the ex Needell Metro has bought it, so hopefully he can get it to run better than the Metro does!!
I saw that article as well (I'll see if I can dig the link out) - it'll be good to see another 'classic' back up and running. It was always a bit of an odd car though wasn't it? It's been converted to run with Honda S2000 running gear so there will be quite a bit of work to get it back towards orginal spec (although again reading the article it's not going to be put back to 100% original spec due to the scarcity of parts).

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http://www.rallycrossworld.com/2016/...s-restoration/
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Thanks for the information Steve! I saw some clips from the racing in France a few months back and it looked like they had a decent number of reliable cars running.

As you say, it seems unlikely that we will see Group B and modern Supercars running together at any World rounds: that's why I was clinging to the hope that someone might run one in the British Championship before they remove them from the regulations!
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The original car ran 205 T16 suspension and engine I think, mainly to run in a lower weight category, so Will could run less than a tonne. But for whatever reason the car never really worked.

I am not sure the guy who bought it ever did much with it, he was on here a few years ago asking for advice and pictures etc , and I do recall mention of S2000 running gear, but looking at the picture, it looks like a shell only, with the panels, no running gear, so unless a tranny tunnel and engine pickups have been changed it should be fine.

I think they are planning on running a 405 based motor, like he did in the 306.

Hansen and Pailler used T16 engines, but they were works backed and at the time Citroen were running a Dakar programme so spares were easier to find, it would be insanity to try and run one of those engines now!!
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I am not sure the guy who bought it ever did much with it, he was on here a few years ago asking for advice and pictures etc , and I do recall mention of S2000 running gear, but looking at the picture, it looks like a shell only, with the panels, no running gear, so unless a tranny tunnel and engine pickups have been changed it should be fine.
I think the S2000 rear diff is on the car in those pictures - certainly there's something in there at the rear end (and it doesn't look heavy duty enough to be a 'proper' rear diff/axle).

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I think they are planning on running a 405 based motor, like he did in the 306.

Hansen and Pailler used T16 engines, but they were works backed and at the time Citroen were running a Dakar programme so spares were easier to find, it would be insanity to try and run one of those engines now!!
Yep, the MI16 engine is what they're talking about using - it's really the only option, as you say T16 engines and parts are very few and far between (and any that do exist are better off being used on genuine T16 cars tbh). I guess the running gear will also be 'off the shelf' items too so the car will be externally accurate but with a very different spec under the skin.
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Only one person I would get for the job and that's Tony Bardy.

HIs cars are some of the best prepared I have ever seen in any motorsport, let alone rallycross where they get covered in dirt!

I bet he would love to get his hands on it too!! He has basically kept the 306 running for over a decade!
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Flaherty did run in europe in 1992 I think, and did OK.

I have no idea what this is all about, an affort to engage with the odler fans I presume. They ran the cars in France at an event at the end of last year, Pat was there as was Loeb in a T16
Wasn't Loeb.
His name was still on the car from a rally demo before the rallycross in Mayenne.
I tought it was Christophe Vaison Who drives the car (And also owned it)
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