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Old 13 Jan 2017, 11:01 (Ref:3702302)   #241
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I would get your inspector to query the decision. Wouldn't be the first time that the 'powers', whether MSA or FIA, are wrong and just need telling.....

First, this is what I would agree with, query the problem.

Second point, if your registrar is good, he should be able to tell you why as well. As I understand the problem, if MSA allows anyone to submit papers without knowledge, this is a clear problem.

Last, it is never the MSA that delivers comments unless it is an obvious problem but the FIA through submission by the MSA.

Also, please let me explain that first batch of HTPs were done by the FIA without the true knowledge and carefull procedure that has been put in place in recent years - And still is being worked on. And this is the reason, the new 26 pages HTP was introduced as well as a dedicated group of people that give their time behind the scene to try and keep it correct. And yes, this has created troubles as to why a car that was accepted 10 years ago as such is no longer going through.
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Old 13 Jan 2017, 12:14 (Ref:3702313)   #242
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delta should be qualifying in the top 5 on the griddelta should be qualifying in the top 5 on the griddelta should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Thanks for the advice Louis, Doing this now.
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Old 13 Jan 2017, 13:10 (Ref:3702325)   #243
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Also, please let me explain that first batch of HTPs were done by the FIA without the true knowledge and carefull procedure that has been put in place in recent years - And still is being worked on. And this is the reason, the new 26 pages HTP was introduced as well as a dedicated group of people that give their time behind the scene to try and keep it correct. And yes, this has created troubles as to why a car that was accepted 10 years ago as such is no longer going through.
Thank you for taking the time to respond, Duddha, it's easy to forget your last point above. When, for instance, we applied to renew the HTP for my simple Morgan +4 last year, the inspector found several incorrect details on the original papers that would not be accepted now! Luckily none were as drastic as a gearbox casing, and were easily dealt with before submission.

I hope sorting the Hewland casing query is as simple for Delta and the Tiga owner.
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Old 13 Jan 2017, 18:44 (Ref:3702398)   #244
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It worked on the old Kent engine blocks ! anyway what are you doing up at this time of the morning ?
Theres a man who knows the ropes
Usual time Gordon,Deer,Wildboar etal arevstill about so its the best time to see them.
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Old 8 Feb 2017, 07:58 (Ref:3710886)   #245
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fia papers

ok guys
we are a bit of a newbie on here, this FIA/htp paper thing is a minefield for us.

We require papers for race spec mk1 & 2 ford escort.

Wheel arch widths/spec,dash layout,suspension/linkbox spec etc etc
Any points in right direction would be great.
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Old 8 Feb 2017, 10:05 (Ref:3710923)   #246
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I've got my new HTP, I have to say it was a doddle . . . maybe I've just got a simple car!
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Old 8 Feb 2017, 11:31 (Ref:3710943)   #247
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ok guys
we are a bit of a newbie on here, this FIA/htp paper thing is a minefield for us.

We require papers for race spec mk1 & 2 ford escort.

Wheel arch widths/spec,dash layout,suspension/linkbox spec etc etc
Any points in right direction would be great.
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You need to be more specific, as homologation papers are available for various models. Have you got them, if not you need them- they give all the mods allowed in period. What spec are you building the car(s) to- Gp1, Gp2, Gp5......... Pushrod, Pinto, BDA, FVC........ Where are you intending to race it/them.... ?
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Old 8 Feb 2017, 14:36 (Ref:3710971)   #248
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Escort, not a simple car!
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Old 8 Feb 2017, 15:53 (Ref:3710983)   #249
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Escort, not a simple car!
Yes, apologies piekey for being a bit abrupt in my reply, Escort may be simple mechanically, but is not simple when it comes to 'papers'!

Starting again- are you looking for original homologation papers for a particular model, or looking to get a Historic Technical Passport for a particular car? If so, what exactly is it......
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Old 8 Feb 2017, 23:52 (Ref:3711064)   #250
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You need to be more specific, as homologation papers are available for various models. Have you got them, if not you need them- they give all the mods allowed in period. What spec are you building the car(s) to- Gp1, Gp2, Gp5......... Pushrod, Pinto, BDA, FVC........ Where are you intending to race it/them.... ?
Agree that the first step is to get the papers but I doubt you will find a set for the FVC engine.
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Old 9 Feb 2017, 06:28 (Ref:3711135)   #251
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Agree that the first step is to get the papers but I doubt you will find a set for the FVC engine.
FVA then........ Sorry, had just been talking about a Chevron fitted with the other
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Old 9 Feb 2017, 07:38 (Ref:3711145)   #252
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Old 9 Feb 2017, 15:18 (Ref:3711230)   #253
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There are over 20 different sets of Homologation papers for Mk1 & mk 11 Escorts . You also need to know what events you are planning to run in as different sets of period rules [ Appendix J ] can apply and/or FIA Historic K rules might be used which could require a HTP.

So the whole thing is never easy .
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Old 9 Feb 2017, 17:08 (Ref:3711245)   #254
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So the whole thing is never easy .
Agreed. You have to consider the period too and may be have to chose before 72 or before 74.
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Old 9 Feb 2017, 21:18 (Ref:3711288)   #255
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Pre 66, or at least up to about '64 seems pretty straight forward, obviously, documentary technology didn't keep up with automotive development in the late 60's/early 70's
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