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Old 7 Mar 2017, 11:11 (Ref:3717019)   #2206
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I may be wrong, but I believe the primary goal of the changes was to increase the speed and make them harder to drive, not improve the quality of the racing (such as ease of overtaking).

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Old 7 Mar 2017, 11:20 (Ref:3717020)   #2207
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I may be wrong, but I believe the primary goal of the changes was to increase the speed and make them harder to drive, not improve the quality of the racing (such as ease of overtaking).

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I thought the idea was to do both.
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Old 7 Mar 2017, 11:37 (Ref:3717021)   #2208
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I never understood why the front wing is so wide. Surely the more aero you give it, the more it'll hurt when following another car?
Yep. They should have narrowed it and reduced the depth of the wing to reduce the reliance on it.
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Old 7 Mar 2017, 15:27 (Ref:3717058)   #2209
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I thought the idea was to do both.
I looked back at news items from a year or so ago when they were talking about this. My opinion it seems to boil down to...

* Removal of token system
* Increase the speed of the cars
* Better aesthetics

IMHO, while people (rightly so) complained about quality of racing, it seemed that the larger topic was that everyone was loosing their minds around the sound of the cars, that the speed didn't allow them to stand out from the GP2 cars and that the cars remain ugly. There was also the ongoing dominance of Mercedes and the (probably correct) feeling that with the token system the others were really prevented from catching up (with respect to the power unit design)

Here are some random news articles from a year or more ago about the 2017 changes...

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/124...nging-for-2017

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...r-2017-675381/

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/h...017-tyres.html

While they may occasionally touch on the topic of close racing, they clearly focus on the increased speed and new look of the cars. The Sky article has some interesting discussion including frank talk about how the 2017 cars may in fact NOT help with the quality of racing (such as the difficulty of following the car in front of you). The Autosport article link directly below from about a year ago is more telling IMHO. It talks about the "roll of the dice" to improve overtaking and that the design by committee nature is clearly a non-optimal way to do things. The result is that maybe nobody really agrees on the approved solution, but it was what could be agreed upon. It all points to why we now have Ross Brawn and his team to try to be a single voice on how things should be done in the future.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122916

Also, the last line from the article linked below (late 2015) is interesting. It is a quote from Pat Symonds...

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The brief from the Strategy Group was to make the cars quicker and to make the styling a bit better, I think we've done those two.
Nothing about quality of racing.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122342

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Old 26 Mar 2017, 12:08 (Ref:3721602)   #2210
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Nothing about quality of racing.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122342

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Fortunately Ross Brawn seems to have quality racing firmly on his agenda.

If he manages to achieve the objectives he has set out in this interview with Martin Brundle, F1 will be in a much better place than it is at present.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNtxdzZhaVk
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Old 27 Mar 2017, 09:48 (Ref:3721799)   #2211
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Could someone please explain something to me?

The new generation Pirelli's are longer lasting as they don't degrade as much from heat built up (at least that's the way I understand it). Now there is fear that we will see too little degradation with many 1-stop races. Indeed we saw Verstappen quite easily manage the race on a set of ultrasofts and supersofts.

So I wonder why didn't Pirelli's make the whole range of tyres one compound softer? Wouldn't that increase degradation?
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Old 27 Mar 2017, 09:58 (Ref:3721800)   #2212
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I expect it was Pirelli being extremely conservative for fear of the new cars chewing up their new wide tyres in a couple of laps. At least the drivers did not have to spend too much of the race looking after their tyres.
I suspect there will be races where the ultra soft might last 3/4 of the race based on what we saw in Australia. At least it will push the drivers into passing on track (if they are able to) rather than waiting for the next pit stop.
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Old 27 Mar 2017, 10:16 (Ref:3721806)   #2213
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Not Pirelli's fault. The tyres were made for low deg so that faster lap times could be done by the cars. Instead, teams are choosing to do slower lap times, and only one stop. The cars are well and truly capable of doing faster speeds, as we saw during FP. Sucks that teams have chosen to take the conservative approach. Again.

To fix this issue, FOM should mandate 3 tyre changes, not just the one, during a race. Teams/drivers then wouldn't have to conserve tyres, and drivers can push on at full speed. Which is what everyone wants to see.
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Old 27 Mar 2017, 11:41 (Ref:3721840)   #2214
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Weren't we just complaining that the tire degradation was too much and that drivers spent too much time managing their tires?

I agree with the post above that the cars can go faster during a race. I believe fuel management during races (particularly on fast power tracks) will be the new problem. The cars can be on throttle more than before and are using more fuel.

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Not Pirelli's fault. The tyres were made for low deg so that faster lap times could be done by the cars. Instead, teams are choosing to do slower lap times, and only one stop. The cars are well and truly capable of doing faster speeds, as we saw during FP. Sucks that teams have chosen to take the conservative approach. Again.

To fix this issue, FOM should mandate 3 tyre changes, not just the one, during a race. Teams/drivers then wouldn't have to conserve tyres, and drivers can push on at full speed. Which is what everyone wants to see.
They should mandate 3 tyre changes, during the race? They would have been pitting every 19 laps at Melbourne, if that were the case.
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To fix this issue, FOM should mandate 3 tyre changes, not just the one, during a race. Teams/drivers then wouldn't have to conserve tyres, and drivers can push on at full speed. Which is what everyone wants to see.
How about the following scenario (given the tyres available in Melbourne)....

Mandate that:
The softs should be capable of lasting >90% race distance,
Supers lasting >75%,
Ultras lasting >50%,
Teams have to use all three compounds during the race.

Therefore, the drivers would have to push hard to try and fit into pit windows.
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Old 27 Mar 2017, 14:36 (Ref:3721870)   #2217
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How about maybe less mandates? Especially knee jerk ones? Any any comments to the fact that teams are likely managing fuel more than tires? "Pushing hard" means using more fuel. They can't do that already.

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How about maybe less mandates? Especially knee jerk ones? Any any comments to the fact that teams are likely managing fuel more than tires? "Pushing hard" means using more fuel. They can't do that already.
Mandate fewer mandates

In all seriousness: F1 should have fewer, or simpler, technical rules. There should be some 'sets' (for want of a better word) of tech regs that allow more free reign over (say) aero while minimising fuel allowance; another which allows bigger, thirstier engines but minimises aero elements on the wings; another which allows 100% electric drive thru all four wheels but smaller tyres. Or something like that.

Right now F1 is so tightly controlled it's essentially a spec series, and every time someone makes a better thing the rest of the teams whine until it's banned. Then the wheel turns, another team invent a better widget, and round we go again.

We all want "better racing". Let's have "different designs".
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They just need to move more towards an underbody aero solution. Lose the massive front wings and put in place something a fraction of the size.
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They just need to move more towards an underbody aero solution. Lose the massive front wings and put in place something a fraction of the size.
This 'should' be straightforward in practice but the trade off might be something like allowing the teams continued use of the Fins so they have more branding space! Not sure what that would do to aero stability though!!
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