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Old 12 Mar 2017, 11:02 (Ref:3718162)   #16
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They talk of introducing a 'ladder'. I really don't see the point in that, I'd rather see lots of strong national series and no world series than the other way round. I just don't think there is enough money floating around to sustain healthy national championships and a healthy world championship. I'd hate to see the FIA get involved in any of the 'big four' national touring car series (V8s, BTCC, DTM and Argentina S2000 IMO of course). As alluded to earlier in the thread they seem to have a real knack of destroying healthy series.
I agree with this.

A ladder system makes sense if you can move up from national series to an international serie where drivers are getting paid. But there isn't a series like that.

Currently I don't see the need for FIA involvement in touring car racing. If they would have invented TCR it would be different. There's TCR for national and regional series and the countries with their own successful series have their own technical rules and don't need FIA. FIA should stay away from these series.
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Old 12 Mar 2017, 12:00 (Ref:3718168)   #17
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And who can forget Bernie being put in charge for the first ever WTCC series in 1987? That series was doomed from the off when he took over and made them pay for an entry
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Old 13 Mar 2017, 19:00 (Ref:3718428)   #18
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There should be no world series.

Have really strong national series and 'cup' races like they used to.

One in Europe (hell, use the Nordschleife), one in the Americas and then Macau as the showpiece?
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Old 13 Mar 2017, 19:18 (Ref:3718435)   #19
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And who can forget Bernie being put in charge for the first ever WTCC series in 1987? That series was doomed from the off when he took over and made them pay for an entry
indeed

in 1986 Group A racing was its hight , the ETCC of 1986 had works cars from Rover, BMW , Ford, Holden , Volvo and field was quite balanced, everyone could win a race

lower classes had works or semi-works cars from Alfa Romeo, Mercedes and Toyota


then Bernie comes along transformes into into WTCC 1987 and it goes down the toillet

Volvo, Rover , Mercedes leave the series Alfa Romeo follow the next year.. and 1988 was the last ETCC season by that point in was farse the Sierra RS 500 had total domination in top class and the BMW M3 in lower class

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Old 13 Mar 2017, 19:31 (Ref:3718440)   #20
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TCR at the Nordschleife would be awesome.
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and 1988 was the last ETCC season by that point in was farse the Sierra RS 500 had total domination in top class and the BMW M3 in lower class
Same happened - without any Bernie-meddling that I would know of - in BTCC, though.
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Old 13 Mar 2017, 22:17 (Ref:3718470)   #22
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Same happened - without any Bernie-meddling that I would know of - in BTCC, though.
appereantly it was recognized as a FIA "error" to adjust the turbo coefficient for base weight calculations , if the coefficient was higher the RS 500 would had (much) more base weight and the non-turbo cars would had a chance to compete
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Old 14 Mar 2017, 09:07 (Ref:3718515)   #23
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The mess up of the SEAT TDi's in the WTCC is something which particularly narked me. The other cars could never compete in a straight line. I'm not actually sure if that was an FIA or SRO blunder though.
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The mess up of the SEAT TDi's in the WTCC is something which particularly narked me. The other cars could never compete in a straight line. I'm not actually sure if that was an FIA or SRO blunder though.
That'd be Eurosport/KSO rather than SRO. SRO organized the GT's. But yeah, they definitely messed up there, it never was a level playing field.
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And then they kept changing the rules at every meeting, which just made it worse
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http://www.touringcars.net/2017/04/n...cars-2017-etcc
There will be no homologation for VW and Audi for ETCC, and they withdrew Seat homologation.
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There will be no homologation for VW and Audi for ETCC, and they withdrew Seat homologation.
Hmm. Lot of ETCC drivers has a Seat TCR or Cup car. What is the legal situation between them and the VW group after this decission?
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This is quite incredible. Good on VAG, screw the FIA. I suppose the typical ETCC entrants could enter European TCR rounds and/or TC Open.
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But as a loophole FIA could create a class for cars that comply to TCR rules. Or am I missing something?
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