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Old 20 Mar 2017, 15:12 (Ref:3720221)   #481
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Interesting quote from Goossens about the new tyres.
I didn't see any real issues with rubber this weekend, but it's more fun to throw stones these days. Thanks for bringing this up!
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Old 20 Mar 2017, 15:22 (Ref:3720224)   #482
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Having read more of the thread, and thought a little (as much as I can):

BoP was right for this race. The best cars crewed by the best teams came out on top.

As for what endurance racing is supposed to be ... this was it.

Some cars set up for the heat, and led all day (Ford.) Some cars set up for the cooler weather, and came back in the dark.

Ford could have has its 1 -2-3 and its Big Three ... but forgot that leading all day doesn’t mean crap if you don’t lead the last lap.

People who were not “excited” had best stick to sprint racing. Side-by-side sprints to the checker are Not the domain of endurance racing ... if the winner is in question into the last stint, That is a tense enduro.

Endurance racing is about lasting, adapting, overcoming, and making sure you have the best car and crew in the final two hours.

If you need an adrenaline rush, go sky-diving.

This was a really good race from trackside. I will watch it on YouTube or whatever later, but i cannot imagine it will be much less.

Not many cautions, no stupid calls, no idiotic driving (Thanks, PC) and good competition.

I have been a Bleekemolen fan for years, and he really kicked butt at Sebring.

The GT class offered a ton of good competition. I was glad to see ford not win, but more glad to see them beat on pace.

Rebellion once again disappointed me massively. Why they cannot make their car run, I cannot fathom. JDC-Miller had no problems. Pr1-Mathieson had no problems. Rebellion had pace—and massive and varied issues. Rebellion has (IMO) the strongest driver line-up on the grid, and certainly Potentially the best car. Please get it together Rebellion.

Likely we can expect a season of “Which Cadillac will win” but if they win by being better, I can deal with that.

Someone said that the turbo motors could also make the torque. I am not sure, but it does seem to me that they could trades some top end speed for some low-end pulling power and it would benefit them. Maybe the turbo teams got too excited by top-speed numbers at Daytona, and forgot how odd a course that is.

Mazda at least managed a top-five. I am not sure I can hope for much more than a few poles from Mazda this year. I don’t see a two-liter being competitive and reliable when matched against a motor three times that size.

Anyway ... my health has still not recovered, so I will not prattle on any further here.

Great race. an actual Sebring 12 Hours, IMO. Sorry for those who think otherwise.
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Old 20 Mar 2017, 15:25 (Ref:3720225)   #483
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I didn't see any real issues with rubber this weekend, but it's more fun to throw stones these days. Thanks for bringing this up!
The drivers are happy with the tyres, I brought the comment because it looks like everybody will be on the same strategy, I mean there is no gain about saving tyres to make a second stint on the same set. Basically everybody will do the same.

Tyres performed well at Sebring, just one puncture on the Mazda.
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Old 20 Mar 2017, 15:26 (Ref:3720226)   #484
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If it's the engine that the Chevy/Caddy needs a nemesis, then there is only one... 6.1 L Chrysler/Dodge HEMI V8, Dallara chassis using the 2016/17 Dodge Charger styling cues.
I am drooling on my keyboard. Thanks.
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Old 20 Mar 2017, 15:36 (Ref:3720229)   #485
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Responding to: Originally Posted by canamman :
"10 hrs of rain got tedious but: You may have missed the closing stages of the 24 then.
P- 1-2 nose to tail
GTLM - 1,2,3 nose to tail
GTD - 1,2,3 (and I think 4) nose to tail

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A close finish does not make a good race. No, I didn't miss the 24, watched probably 20 hours of it and definitely all of the last 3 or 4. GTLM is never a point of contention. The P class is, guess you didn't catch that from my post.
Ansd here it is. Do people appreciate racing, or are they in it for the adrenaline-rush finish.

This isn't drag racing. Even the micro-race (100 minutes) at Long Beach includes a pit stop. Except for drag racing and maybe Rallycross, racing is about process more than result.

Too many modern fans (seemingly) can only appreciate the amount of action that can fit in a clip on Facebook. Racing is not that sort of sport.

A close finish doesn't make a Bad race ... and it can sort of make up for a bad race for many fans ... But even a multi-lap win doesn't ruin a good race.

People who need "nose-to-tail" finishes maybe should consider other sports.

Plenty of sports don't depend upon adrenaline-inducing risk or close finishes to generate a lot of fans, investment, and profit---think Golf, for instance.

If we constantly demand razor-thin margins of victory, before long we will be seeing one-lap, five-car shootouts ... and the "enduros" will be five laps, but no one will watch.

If the only part of a twelve-hour race that matters to you, is the final 12 seconds ... might I suggest NASCACR (well, the races Seem like they are 12 hours long.)
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Old 20 Mar 2017, 15:39 (Ref:3720232)   #486
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I feel like people are just forgetting what they saw at the start of the race. Rebellion led, the caddys weren't getting by him easily, and right behind the caddys the Nissan were lingering close by. The top 8 or so were hanging close until reliability bit them. That looks about right to me. Caddy is the most reliable. Yes, the fastest too. So what? The others showed they could compete. Pressure the caddy guys and maybe a mistake will be made. Stop screwing up every pit stop or blowing engines or having boost problems or putting amateur drivers in. You know, develop......

Limiting torque sounds like an incredibidly bad idea. Even with bop, you don't want exactly the same performance characteristics. Let caddy have a torque advantage but let turbos have a top speed advantage or something if you must. But it the big 6.2 liter torquey v8 can't have a torque advantage that it is built to have then we might as well run spec p2 engines. It's not imsas or caddys fault that the other teams and engines aren't reliable enough.

I just can't see how anyone who saw the racing in the first hour or so before they started dropping like flies could possibly think more "balancing" should be done. A professional team with a professional driver was leading. A lesser professional team with professional drivers were right behind the caddy. It was pretty Damn even.
My apologies for not having read the whole thread before responding.

RWill nails it.
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Old 20 Mar 2017, 16:03 (Ref:3720236)   #487
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Not that they were given the opportunity, but we should really thank imsa for allowing an endurance race to happen. No late caution that was questionable, no attempt to bunch the field up arbitrarily throughout the race. While NASCAR is incorporating segment finishes and cautions, they are allowing cars to take time to get going before throwing cautions, and allowed long green flag runs to let the race play out. Credit where it's due, excessive or unnecessary cautions haven't been an issue this year.
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Old 20 Mar 2017, 17:29 (Ref:3720257)   #488
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Not that they were given the opportunity, but we should really thank imsa for allowing an endurance race to happen. No late caution that was questionable, no attempt to bunch the field up arbitrarily throughout the race. While NASCAR is incorporating segment finishes and cautions, they are allowing cars to take time to get going before throwing cautions, and allowed long green flag runs to let the race play out. Credit where it's due, excessive or unnecessary cautions haven't been an issue this year.
+1, really enjoyed the long green flag runs. Reminded me of being track side years back and watching patterns develop.
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Old 20 Mar 2017, 19:23 (Ref:3720279)   #489
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The race was good, next up is long beach right?
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Old 20 Mar 2017, 21:23 (Ref:3720296)   #491
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Responding to: Originally Posted by canamman :
"10 hrs of rain got tedious but: You may have missed the closing stages of the 24 then.
P- 1-2 nose to tail
GTLM - 1,2,3 nose to tail
GTD - 1,2,3 (and I think 4) nose to tail

Ansd here it is. Do people appreciate racing, or are they in it for the adrenaline-rush finish.

This isn't drag racing. Even the micro-race (100 minutes) at Long Beach includes a pit stop. Except for drag racing and maybe Rallycross, racing is about process more than result.

Too many modern fans (seemingly) can only appreciate the amount of action that can fit in a clip on Facebook. Racing is not that sort of sport.

A close finish doesn't make a Bad race ... and it can sort of make up for a bad race for many fans ... But even a multi-lap win doesn't ruin a good race.

People who need "nose-to-tail" finishes maybe should consider other sports.

Plenty of sports don't depend upon adrenaline-inducing risk or close finishes to generate a lot of fans, investment, and profit---think Golf, for instance.

If we constantly demand razor-thin margins of victory, before long we will be seeing one-lap, five-car shootouts ... and the "enduros" will be five laps, but no one will watch.

If the only part of a twelve-hour race that matters to you, is the final 12 seconds ... might I suggest NASCACR (well, the races Seem like they are 12 hours long.)
Since you are directly calling me out I will respond by saying this is
absolutely the most absurd post I have ever read. "Should consider other sports"? Well that's not gonna happen after going to races for 50 years.
By the way, NASCACR? Oh , I get it , an under handed jab at NASCAR.
Just another spelling error. Trying to assign a guilt trip for enjoying close finishes at the races I attend or watch? Laughable. BTW, I thought the Sebring race was ok. I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10. Hate to think of the guilt
you lob on cycle stage racing. 6 hrs on a flat stage to all come down
to inches at the finish. Fans who like that (like me) should be sooo
ashamed. Oh but wait, you report on that sport, shame!
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Old 20 Mar 2017, 21:45 (Ref:3720299)   #492
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Time out everyone....

Methinks misunderstanding is afoot. (I'm glad I'm on the outside of this one for a change )

Nonetheless, I still say get rid of BoPing and all other shennanigans to "equalize" the competition and I'll continue to wai for another REAL finish like Le Mans '69.
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I was basically commenting on the first sentence of your prior comment.
There is so much eschew with this comment above, I think I'll pass and move on.
I don't think it's hard to understand. I was saying dpi/prototype hasn't been good racing this year unless you are a Cadillac fan and don't mind that no one else has challenged. GTLM and GTD are not the point. The 'race' I was referring to was the prototype class. You don't have to agree with my opinion, even if you do feel the same about the head of the field.
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Nonetheless, I still say get rid of BoPing and all other shennanigans to "equalize" the competition and I'll continue to wai for another REAL finish like Le Mans '69.
Set minimum/maximum dimensions, minimum weight, and maximum power with random dyno tests to make sure everyone is at power. Let everything else fall as it does.
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I don't think it's hard to understand. I was saying dpi/prototype hasn't been good racing this year unless you are a Cadillac fan and don't mind that no one else has challenged. GTLM and GTD are not the point. The 'race' I was referring to was the prototype class. You don't have to agree with my opinion, even if you do feel the same about the head of the field.
Gotcha. I am starting to understand your position. I guess you are more
of the P2 fan. Cadi's have set the bar high and will probably
continued to be tuned down by the sanction, but I will be dadgummed if I am
going to sit here and have a poster tell me to "consider another sport".
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