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Old 19 Aug 2013, 22:08 (Ref:3291858)   #1
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MGB (or MGC) Rallycross car

Does anybody have any info on MGB or MGC cars used in rallycross -or where we might be able to track some down? A mate of mine (MGB enthusiast rather than a rallycross chap) is expressing an interest in building a retro rallycross car.

I have vague recollections of an MGC running at one stage in the 80s - run by a guy called Robinson or Robertson maybe?

I also have a feeling there was an MGB V8 in the late 70s. But maybe some people ran 1.8 in the early days? I am too young to remember. I can't remember reading about any running as factory cars pre the 1970 BL shutdown but I could be wrong.

Any ideas or leads appreciated. Thanks.
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Old 19 Aug 2013, 22:52 (Ref:3291868)   #2
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did the rules back then allow one-off specials?, there was a V8 Rangerover chassis with MGB body on top running around in the 80s but I've no idea if it ran in rallycross
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Before my time watching rallycross, but Pete Robertson ran a BGT in the early 80's...

http://archive.bebo.com/c/photos/vie...Id=10157838566

...and there were others

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dwphoto...7604943333232/

I'd have to dig out the Bill Price BL Comps Department book to be sure, but I don't think the late 60's/early 70's factory rallycross entries ever included a B- Minis, Rover 3500, Austin Maxi, Triumph 1300, Austin 1300 etc, but not a B
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Richard Stok, MGB GT V8 (3528cc) in the late 1970s.
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Old 20 Aug 2013, 13:34 (Ref:3292012)   #5
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Thanks. The Pete Robertson was the one I remember - very distinctive with the bonnet bulge and wide arches. Don't suppose anyone can remember or has programmes indicating what sort of engine / suspension Pete Lewis was running? That sort of thing looks a bit more 'stock' and a bit more affordable....

I think the main difficulty will be the suspension and ground clearence issue. Its possibly why there weren't that many MGBs in rallycross the first time around. I know the later MGB road cars were jacked up anyway due to safety regs but I seem to remember everyone moaning that it wrecked the handling.
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Old 24 Oct 2013, 07:58 (Ref:3322473)   #6
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The pete Robertson car ran a jag irs set up, in fact it is still in his shed if anybody is interested, it was also fitted with a supercharger so if you are building a retro rallycross car you could certainly run a supercharged v8 again... I think...
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Old 24 Oct 2013, 12:47 (Ref:3322538)   #7
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Thanks for that - I'll pass on. He has a shell and engine but I think it will now get built for historic rallying mainly, but keeping open the rallycross option.

Would be great to see the Robertson car back though. It does make you wonder how many other old rallycross cars are sitting in sheds waiting to be rediscovered.
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Old 27 Oct 2013, 21:04 (Ref:3323859)   #8
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The nearest I can get from memory, was Rob Gibson, he of Porsche 911 and 6R4 fame, used either a MG Midget or Healey Sprite in Autocross and Rallycross during the early to mid 70's, the car was always quick and I think it had Ford Crossflow engine fitted. Rob was always a very determined opponent and talking about Pete Robertson he used a Hillman Avenger in those days.

This was in the days when the original Snetterton rallycross track used parts of the old Norwich and Home Straights, plus we drove into and out of a deep pit on the infield after we had gone round the hairpin, then back onto the Home straight for while, followed by a banked infield loop back around to the Norwich straight again.

Another driver I remember using a different car to what people remember in later years was John Greasley, the car in question was a Hillman Imp with a Rover V8 motor in the back. HAPPY DAYS.
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Old 28 Oct 2013, 18:28 (Ref:3324352)   #9
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The nearest I can get from memory, was Rob Gibson, he of Porsche 911 and 6R4 fame, used either a MG Midget or Healey Sprite in Autocross and Rallycross during the early to mid 70's, the car was always quick and I think it had Ford Crossflow engine fitted. Rob was always a very determined opponent and talking about Pete Robertson he used a Hillman Avenger in those days.

This was in the days when the original Snetterton rallycross track used parts of the old Norwich and Home Straights, plus we drove into and out of a deep pit on the infield after we had gone round the hairpin, then back onto the Home straight for while, followed by a banked infield loop back around to the Norwich straight again.

Another driver I remember using a different car to what people remember in later years was John Greasley, the car in question was a Hillman Imp with a Rover V8 motor in the back. HAPPY DAYS.
I have got a picture of my dad in his avenger in front of rob in his sprite somewhere, and a pic of my dad coming out the pit at snetterton, how the car didn't break in half when it landed I don't know it must have been 10 foot in the air!!, I do remember as a kid I was about 4 years old and looking at that pit it seemed ridiculously deep!
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Old 29 Oct 2013, 20:57 (Ref:3324885)   #10
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It was an interesting track that first Snetterton example, the long banked corner on the infield that joined onto the Norfolk straight was bloody good to driver round, it allowed you to power slide it all the way round.

Snetterton in late 1974 was my first Rallycross event and I remember your mum and dad being there, Rob Gibson, Ron Douglas, Trevor Hopkins, Dave Fuel, John Greasley, plus many more. Ian Smith who's old Twin Cam i had bought a few weeks before, it was his first meeting in an ex works BDA Escort.

I think this is the picture you talked about that appeared in Motoring News, with Rob Gibson behind your Dad. There is also a photo of my old Escort.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

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Old 29 Oct 2013, 21:11 (Ref:3324887)   #11
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those facebook links don't work, out of interest did you used to be called Tom?
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Old 29 Oct 2013, 21:26 (Ref:3324893)   #12
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No it's always been Paul.
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My MGB GT V8

I have just come across this reference to my old rallycross MGB GT V8 - if anyone is still interested, I will write up the full details of the 2 cars I ran in 1976/77 (a white car and a black lightweight car) - neither was particularly successful!

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Old 19 Feb 2014, 01:01 (Ref:3369923)   #14
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Hi Pete,

Yes please!!!

If you have any photos of your cars either on the track or the paddock, I'd be especially interested. I build 1/43 scale model cars and have a fine collection of rallycross cars, mostly 6R4s but with the TR7 V8 of Warwick Barnes as well.

I'd be delighted to see any photos you may have that could help me build an accurate model.

Many thanks, Steve
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Thanks Pete - yes, it would be fantastic to hear more about the specs, build info etc.
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