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Old 20 Mar 2017, 23:18 (Ref:3720317)   #5236
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No I am not. 'Just adding more info.

Shouldn't have to but I'll clarify. You stated that "It was clear to anyone with a brain that the "advantage" Brumos had at Daytona was nothing more than a different setup". I took that into account when I stated "Nothing more my eye."
Get it yet? No? Did you notice the wink smiley?

Leave your ego on the trailer.

None of it is that important to me anymore. I won't plunk down money to attend artificially induced excitement. 'Til and if real racing comes back I'll just sit back and watch and wait.
Not telling me anything I didn't notice, and I've already pointed out that the notion doesn't hold up.
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Old 20 Mar 2017, 23:22 (Ref:3720318)   #5237
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No I am not. 'Just adding more info.

Shouldn't have to but I'll clarify. You stated that "It was clear to anyone with a brain that the "advantage" Brumos had at Daytona was nothing more than a different setup". I took that into account when I stated "Nothing more my eye."
Get it yet? No? Did you notice the wink smiley?

Leave your ego on the trailer.

None of it is that important to me anymore. I won't plunk down money to attend artificially induced excitement. 'Til and if real racing comes back I'll just sit back and watch and wait.
"Time out everyone....

Methinks misunderstanding is afoot. (I'm glad I'm on the outside of this one for a change )"

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Old 20 Mar 2017, 23:31 (Ref:3720319)   #5238
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Old 21 Mar 2017, 00:42 (Ref:3720329)   #5239
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No I am not. 'Just adding more info.

Shouldn't have to but I'll clarify. You stated that "It was clear to anyone with a brain that the "advantage" Brumos had at Daytona was nothing more than a different setup". I took that into account when I stated "Nothing more my eye."
Get it yet? No? Did you notice the wink smiley?

Leave your ego on the trailer.

None of it is that important to me anymore. I won't plunk down money to attend artificially induced excitement. 'Til and if real racing comes back I'll just sit back and watch and wait.
It won't.

You're gonna save a whole bunch.
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Old 21 Mar 2017, 01:22 (Ref:3720332)   #5240
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Great talk about grand am history guys, but lets get back on topic.
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Old 21 Mar 2017, 06:00 (Ref:3720363)   #5241
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Old 21 Mar 2017, 08:07 (Ref:3720375)   #5242
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Great talk about grand am history guys, but lets get back on topic.
Given the subject matter it revolves around, I could easily argue that it was relevant to the topic, but I won't push it. I've frankly said all that needs to be said anyway, so I shall indeed move on.
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Old 21 Mar 2017, 14:48 (Ref:3720431)   #5243
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Even if Penske hadn't gotten burned in 2009 (for Whatever reason) I'd think he'd be leery about joining WSC just based on the race-by-race BoP crap they pulled last year.

Penske does usually bring boatloads of money---but he also brings boatloads of expertise and experience. It makes no sense for him to bring a good car, make it the best (a la Cadillacs) and then have it sent to the back because he is successful.

So far this year it hasn't happened ... but then, the Golden Boys have been winning. The big manufacturer money and the house teams have been running up front solidly.

Penske has to wonder what would happen if he soundly kicked Cadillac butt for three races in a row. In the old days (last year) that might mean total readjustment ("Well, look, we promised Laguna Seca to Mazda, and they cut us a fat check, so ....)

I think and hope that IMSA can keep its hands off the cars for the rest of the season and just let whoever wins, wins. That might help reassure Penske that he will be allowed to win if actually brings the fastest cars and drivers with the best crews.
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Old 21 Mar 2017, 17:42 (Ref:3720458)   #5244
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Not telling me anything I didn't notice, and I've already pointed out that the notion doesn't hold up.
What "notion" do you refer to?

You said the only reason they won was setup. I said the only thing my eye, (as in that's not the only thing). They were also officially found underweight. Where's the "notion". These are all facts. Is english not your first language?
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Old 21 Mar 2017, 17:49 (Ref:3720460)   #5245
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'Til and if real racing comes back I'll just sit back and watch and wait.
And stand outside track gates claiming to cry about how much better it used to be.

It's hard to tell if you're a real person anymore, because it's the same posts every year around this time.
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Old 21 Mar 2017, 17:53 (Ref:3720461)   #5246
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What "notion" do you refer to?

You said the only reason they won was setup. I said the only thing my eye, (as in that's not the only thing). They were also officially found underweight. Where's the "notion". These are all facts. Is english not your first language?
I could elaborate on what you're missing here, but we've been told to drop it. So I'm dropping it.
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Old 22 Mar 2017, 12:22 (Ref:3720640)   #5247
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Sometimes this place reminds me of an IndyCar site, where everyone lives in the past, and everyone’s favorite era is the only “Real” IndyCar racing, and was far and away the best. IndyCar fans spent so much time living in the past they nearly lost the actual series which (shocking news to many) exists in the present.

Surprise, surprise, once some IndyCar fans started appreciating the rpesent, the series started to do better financially and was able to make small improvements—a long way from what fans ultimately want (I think we all want Can-Am back) but steps in the right direction.

We have the opportunity to do the same here with sports cars.

The old guys can just walk into the room and start spraying urine in every direction, because that’s all any part of sports car racing is good for any more, compared to the glorious past (by which they mean either when they were nine and impressed by the cars and simply didn’t know about the politics, which has always been there, or some later age, usually late teens to early twenties, where they have chosen to forget all the politics, the dull races, the two-thirds of the grid filled with cars unlikely to finish and totally without a chance to win.)

The people who grew up watching sports cars on TV have forgotten that for most of its history, “sports car racing” was sitting on a hillside overlooking two corners and waiting, and “Timing and Scoring” was your pen and notebook.

people who complain about the lack of close finishes (who also complain about artificial close finishes) forget that in the various “Golden Eras” it was not unusual for the top three cars to each be three laps apart. That was “The Real Stuff’ but somehow a 13-second margin of victory after 12 hours is just too much. The race sucked.

People who find that they are no longer as interested in racing shouldn’t keep trying to find interest here. Take a break. YouTube old races. Get together with other people who dimly remember some imaginary perfect pass and you can all p!$$ on the present together. It’ll be fun!

We all can pretty much figure what kind of season this will be. There is a range of possibilities, sure ... IMSA could go heavy-handed and frequent with BoP, teams could drop out .... or, it could be “Which Cadillac?” or every other team might suddenly find the answers and we might have the whole field in each class GTLM-close.

GTL—who knows? Maybe Ford won’t get all the BoP breaks. Maybe Corvette and Porsche will find the right set-ups. it is hard to beat a bespoke prototype in a GT, though .... Reminds me of NASCAR in the ‘60s when manufacturers were building “specials” with giant engines and slick bodywork.

Anyway .... for those who have not figured it out, there will Never be “The Perfect Race” unless it has already happened and you have videotape. otherwise, we all have to live in dirty reality, full of compromises.

There is a fine line here, between criticizing with an eye towards improving, and using racing as a target for all of life’s disappointments.

We had a da**ed good race last Saturday (and Friday as well.) It was not perfect but it was a good race.

None of us are going to be happier because we refuse to enjoy what is there, just because it is not perfect.

I'd say more except for that Non-Disclosure Agreement I signed.
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Sometimes this place reminds me of an IndyCar site, where everyone lives in the past, and everyone’s favorite era is the only “Real” IndyCar racing, and was far and away the best. IndyCar fans spent so much time living in the past they nearly lost the actual series which (shocking news to many) exists in the present.

Surprise, surprise, once some IndyCar fans started appreciating the rpesent, the series started to do better financially and was able to make small improvements—a long way from what fans ultimately want (I think we all want Can-Am back) but steps in the right direction.

We have the opportunity to do the same here with sports cars.

The old guys can just walk into the room and start spraying urine in every direction, because that’s all any part of sports car racing is good for any more, compared to the glorious past (by which they mean either when they were nine and impressed by the cars and simply didn’t know about the politics, which has always been there, or some later age, usually late teens to early twenties, where they have chosen to forget all the politics, the dull races, the two-thirds of the grid filled with cars unlikely to finish and totally without a chance to win.)

The people who grew up watching sports cars on TV have forgotten that for most of its history, “sports car racing” was sitting on a hillside overlooking two corners and waiting, and “Timing and Scoring” was your pen and notebook.

people who complain about the lack of close finishes (who also complain about artificial close finishes) forget that in the various “Golden Eras” it was not unusual for the top three cars to each be three laps apart. That was “The Real Stuff’ but somehow a 13-second margin of victory after 12 hours is just too much. The race sucked.

People who find that they are no longer as interested in racing shouldn’t keep trying to find interest here. Take a break. YouTube old races. Get together with other people who dimly remember some imaginary perfect pass and you can all p!$$ on the present together. It’ll be fun!

We all can pretty much figure what kind of season this will be. There is a range of possibilities, sure ... IMSA could go heavy-handed and frequent with BoP, teams could drop out .... or, it could be “Which Cadillac?” or every other team might suddenly find the answers and we might have the whole field in each class GTLM-close.

GTL—who knows? Maybe Ford won’t get all the BoP breaks. Maybe Corvette and Porsche will find the right set-ups. it is hard to beat a bespoke prototype in a GT, though .... Reminds me of NASCAR in the ‘60s when manufacturers were building “specials” with giant engines and slick bodywork.

Anyway .... for those who have not figured it out, there will Never be “The Perfect Race” unless it has already happened and you have videotape. otherwise, we all have to live in dirty reality, full of compromises.

There is a fine line here, between criticizing with an eye towards improving, and using racing as a target for all of life’s disappointments.

We had a da**ed good race last Saturday (and Friday as well.) It was not perfect but it was a good race.

None of us are going to be happier because we refuse to enjoy what is there, just because it is not perfect.

I'd say more except for that Non-Disclosure Agreement I signed.
Yaddi, yaddi, yaddi.....
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Old 22 Mar 2017, 15:22 (Ref:3720675)   #5249
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Maelochs, I'm gonna disagree with you a little bit there. Any race I've been to, when the sun is setting as I'm stretched out on a hill or viewing mound and a breeze gives me a little cool air after walking around a track all day in the hot sun as sexy cars go by loudly as I try and figure out exactly what battles are left and what is the closest class to pay special attention to, is a form of a "perfect race" to me.
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