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Old 22 Dec 2016, 16:53 (Ref:3697949)   #16
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The chances of that are minuscule at best.
Depends what sort of strategy and structure is in place!!
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Old 22 Dec 2016, 21:02 (Ref:3697992)   #17
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The article reads like a journalists musings, rather than anything with real substance. However stranger things have happened.
The very same story, almost verbatim, seems to be splashed around the web in different places, although perhaps nowhere recognised as credible just yet.
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Old 24 Dec 2016, 09:09 (Ref:3698238)   #18
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Was just musing what the actual difference is between Manor and Haas.

Manor has been around for a few seasons and has had some staff with lots of experience and yet Haas came in and vastly outperformed them with the same power unit (?). What is the difference and if RD were to come in what would he do to make the step change that is required.

The margin is so small, Wehlein was their best performer according the Autosport analysis and finding a single second would have made a vast difference. Where could that extra time be found? Is it all down to marginal improvements across the board or is there a single discipline where expertise is lacking. The eternal question is how would a top driver perform in the Manor?

The Haas performance must make the present management at Manor feel really bad.

It is easy to blame the budget but where would an extra chunk of cash be spent?
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Old 24 Dec 2016, 09:11 (Ref:3698239)   #19
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Not quite the same PU! 😉
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Was just musing what the actual difference is between Manor and Haas.

Manor has been around for a few seasons and has had some staff with lots of experience and yet Haas came in and vastly outperformed them with the same power unit (?). What is the difference

The Haas performance must make the present management at Manor feel really bad.
Manor did it the non 'customer-car' way didn't they, whereas Haas took the easier route that wasn't open to Manor at the time?

But yes, Manor's bosses will still feel quite bad I'd imagine.
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Old 24 Dec 2016, 09:58 (Ref:3698243)   #21
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haas have a crap ton more money available too. you can design the best upgrade package in the world but if the money isn't there to implement it...
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Old 24 Dec 2016, 12:41 (Ref:3698264)   #22
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Ah yes, an upgrade package.

I have this thing about "magic words" that can be dropped into a business plan or a presentation and such things. The list grows, "sponsorship" solves lots of problems in a plan. "Sales budget" is a phrase essential in a business presentation, a need for "new products" is both an objective and an excuse and upgrade package is always a magic word dropped into discussions about next season/next race (delete as appropriate).

Actually beefing up the words with real ideas or actions is what matters

I suspect that in this case the actual magic words are "marginal improvements"

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haas have a crap ton more money available too. you can design the best upgrade package in the world but if the money isn't there to implement it...
The Manors were reported to be lacking in downforce all year.. unless a B-spec car is introduced, which costs the same to build (if not more than) as the season's original design. With acreage of signage space available on the Manors pretty much all year, the B likely had to stay on the CAD drawing.
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Well, with Wehrlein all but confirmed at Sauber you would have to say things look very grim on the driver front for Manor, i really wouldn't want to call who will end there but it is safe to say it won't be a patch on last years line up unfortunately.
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Nasr isn't a bed pedaller but the loss of his Banco do Brasil cash may stymie his chances. Gutiérrez is a possibility but he didn't really impress at Haas. I'd like to see Haryanto get another shot - he ran Wehrlein closer than I expected in the first half of 2016.
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Old 2 Jan 2017, 14:43 (Ref:3699700)   #26
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As I said in another thread, Manor are the only two seats up for grabs
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not sure how much stock i put into the rumours about RD buying the team but the speculation remains that the team is looking for a new owner/ship group.

if that is whats happening, then once that purchase is done, i suspect they will then turn their attention towards drivers...so might be a while before we get a finalized line up.
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not sure how much stock i put into the rumours about RD buying the team but the speculation remains that the team is looking for a new owner/ship group.

if that is whats happening, then once that purchase is done, i suspect they will then turn their attention towards drivers...so might be a while before we get a finalized line up.
RD slumming it at the back with the peasants. Not very likely.....
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It's being reported on media that Manor are possibly facing administration again, as talks with buyers/investors have broken down.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ma...bt-863375/?s=1
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This is what the BBC are reporting - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38530855
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