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Old 21 Dec 2016, 15:49 (Ref:3697641)   #31
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I'd forgotten the Olympia thing! Website here- http://olympiahistoric.com/

And as you mention, Retromobile in Paris a couple of weeks earlier- https://www.retromobile.com/

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Old 21 Dec 2016, 16:49 (Ref:3697649)   #32
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I beg to differ! Maybe it's because you are in the shiny parts hall, by the time they get to the Outer Darkness the competitors have dropped off and all that is left is people with memories of how quick they were.

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I always spend time in the outer reaches, but, seeing as the numbers drop off, GT917 is clearly one of the few competitors that buy anything!

If it doesn't work for exhibitors or consumers then they will vote with their feet.

I must admit that I have been going to RR almost since the start, and whilst I accept its a bit samey (so, is Autosport and the Classic Car show, perhaps that's the way it is), I have not noticed a drop off in quality or visitors over the last few years, I still really enjoy it, and I still wouldn't miss it. But then I only live about an hour away.

In that time I have missed Autosport a few times, and not missed it, if you see what I mean.
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Old 22 Dec 2016, 14:35 (Ref:3697894)   #33
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I'm a Londoner and have been a regular Friday visitor to RR since the start, and had not noticed any particular drop-off in exhibitors or attendance - perhaps fewer s/h book sales stalls but that's true at other venues.

I went to the first Excel Historic Show and was not that taken by it, nothing like as interesting as the first RR. The exibitor attendance was too high-ticket, more likely to appeal to a loaded Citiboy, and the car demos were out-of-place and dull. Excel just lacks appeal, whereas the Stoneleigh venue is a bit more human and down-to-earth.
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Old 22 Dec 2016, 14:57 (Ref:3697897)   #34
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[QUOTE=Mike Bell;3697641]I'd forgotten the Olympia thing! Website here- http://olympiahistoric.com/

"A NEW ULTRA LUXURY LIFESTYLE EVENT"

That's me out before I even look at the prices !
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Old 23 Dec 2016, 08:04 (Ref:3698063)   #35
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I don't think it will happen but I would love the Autosport show to move. As many will know, I detest that event, the fortune it costs for people to exhibit there, the insane parking fees, the outright theft of the ticket price. The lack of mix between disciplines meaning there is no cross fertilisation of sports.

I would be happy to see what would happen if that franchise moved to London and tacked on a historic show. You would lose the insane parking fees for the public, but exhibitors would gain a congtestion charge and probably a London emissions charge aswell.

The first few RR shows were a revelation for me, like the NEC used to be, vibrant, enthusiastic, full of interesting ideas.

AS with most things, someone buys into it for a couple of years contract, realises it's a money loser and moves on. Shame as the venue is great, perfect really. And they have some good ideas still. But you can almost already guess where the stalls will be and that is a sad aspect of the show, it has lost that mix of amateur sellers and professional outlets.

And they used to get some big names in there too
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Old 23 Dec 2016, 08:12 (Ref:3698064)   #36
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You obviously never went to the Racing Car Show when it was in London! Sky high car parking at NEC? Have you tried parking at Olympia? The cost of food at London events puts NEC in the shade. Also the transport/accommodation problems/costs for exhibitors are magnified in the capital.

The NEC is a much more professional site for an exhibition the size of Autosports. Stoneleigh would fall apart with those attendance levels, the A46 would be blocked both ways, the little villages would be grid locked.

Nice to see RR has Tom Kristensen this year, don't get many bigger names to us LM24 fans.

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Old 23 Dec 2016, 08:48 (Ref:3698069)   #37
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You obviously never went to the Racing Car Show when it was in London! Sky high car parking at NEC? Have you tried parking at Olympia? The cost of food at London events puts NEC in the shade. Also the transport/accommodation problems/costs for exhibitors are magnified in the capital.

The NEC is a much more professional site for an exhibition the size of Autosports. Stoneleigh would fall apart with those attendance levels, the A46 would be blocked both ways, the little villages would be grid locked.

Nice to see RR has Tom Kristensen this year, don't get many bigger names to us LM24 fans.

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Old 23 Dec 2016, 09:04 (Ref:3698071)   #38
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Old 23 Dec 2016, 09:58 (Ref:3698083)   #39
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To be honest Iw as not talking about public parking. You would never, ever try and drive to an exhibition centre in London, it would be a horrid journey and parking would be crazy.

For the public the only option for shows in London is train and tube.

As exhibitors, it's a totally different story which is why shows like this have moved away from London due to the congestion charges, and emissions charges for diesels and commercials.

But for us punters a show in London would probably be a lot cheaper. Saying that, the people who run the Autosport Show do take the mick, there are other trade shows where the organisers soak up the parking costs and also the bike show there is only 20 quid, and they have free entertainment and bike rides aswell. But they do charge the unearthly parking for cars still.

I never meant putting the Autosport show anywhere other than London or NEC.
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You obviously never went to the Racing Car Show when it was in London! Sky high car parking at NEC? Have you tried parking at Olympia? The cost of food at London events puts NEC in the shade.

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I went to several Racing Car Shows in the 1960s and didn't find it that expensive. Four up in a 1200cc Anglia from deepest Yorkshire setting off about 5-00 a.m., full day at the show after parking at Olympia, then back home, all in the day. Not expensive with costs split 4 ways. And the buzz was incredible.
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I went to several Racing Car Shows in the 1960s and didn't find it that expensive. Four up in a 1200cc Anglia from deepest Yorkshire setting off about 5-00 a.m., full day at the show after parking at Olympia, then back home, all in the day. Not expensive with costs split 4 ways. And the buzz was incredible.
My first visit was in 1970, when it was staged at the Royal Horticultural Hall. Went by train from Norwich.
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I would be happy to see what would happen if that franchise moved to London and tacked on a historic show.
You have got to be joking!

Apart from the stupid costs of everything in London, this country is already dominated by London and the SE, whether it's infrastructure, the media, business or entertainment.

There is a "rest of the country" out there you know.
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Old 23 Dec 2016, 14:35 (Ref:3698123)   #43
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Couldn't agree more, I got out in the late 90's and now avoid it like the plague,
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My point is not at all relevant to where I live or anything like that.

There are plusses and minusses to the show being anywhere.

In London you have a much larger audience although really the majority of people living there now are very rich or very poor and from other countries. But the target areas for the subject are immense around London.

It would be a cheaper show for the public as there would be no parking and transport would be cheaper from a much wider area.

But worse for exhibitors.

And rather than the petulant comments, come up with something constructive. I live in the SE because I can't earn anything like the money in my low end career anywhere else. And I do not come from the area, I moved down here as there were more opportunities. I would move back home if I could but in my industry the wages in my home town are minimum wage or lower. So chew on that before being so rude.

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I went to several Racing Car Shows in the 1960s and didn't find it that expensive. Four up in a 1200cc Anglia from deepest Yorkshire setting off about 5-00 a.m., full day at the show after parking at Olympia, then back home, all in the day. Not expensive with costs split 4 ways. And the buzz was incredible.
Likewise as a small boy from Derby. Best day was Model Engineering Exhibition in the morning, Boat Show in the afternoon, Racing Car Show on the ferry in the evening ... I'd be surprised if we paid to park anywhere that day.
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