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Old 30 Sep 2006, 15:27 (Ref:1723664)   #1
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Lites / LMP3

IMSA Lites has confirmed its existence and ALMS support for the
next five years, and the Pug 207 is rumoured to be an entry in a new pan European Lites championship. Australia and Japan look likely to get in on the action too could this be a new accesible way to go prototype racing? Certainly its pushing manufacturers towards LMP2's as the teams and drivers develop. Could we see Adam Pecorari in a new Panoz LMP2 next year (probably not) but its the spring board to bigger things...
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Old 30 Sep 2006, 20:53 (Ref:1723868)   #2
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The Pug doesn't look like a "LMP3".
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Old 1 Oct 2006, 14:00 (Ref:1724440)   #3
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LMP3 to Australia?
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There's one car already there that someone's competing in, built by West.
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Old 1 Oct 2006, 18:01 (Ref:1724584)   #5
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this article helps to look at the formula, manufacturers, and possibilities that will come from LMP3. It's from late '05, but very helpful.

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/i...ftheFuture.pdf
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Old 1 Oct 2006, 21:18 (Ref:1724715)   #6
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There will be a Lites article coming out in the near future, probably the Feb issue.
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Old 1 Oct 2006, 21:21 (Ref:1724717)   #7
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Way way way OT: Suze are you really 17? From your posts I thought you were a bit older.

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Old 1 Oct 2006, 21:22 (Ref:1724719)   #8
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No, three, just very mature
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Old 1 Oct 2006, 21:35 (Ref:1724727)   #9
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I was at Ledenon (France) yesterday for a VdeV race with Norma, Juno, Ligier and Merlin cars. Good show, many competitors and the cars look good, with 2 or 3 more brands that would be fine.
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Any rough guesses of how thick wallet one has to have to compete in one "Lite" championship?
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IMSA Lites has confirmed its existence and ALMS support for the
next five years, and the Pug 207 is rumoured to be an entry in a new pan European Lites championship. Australia and Japan look likely to get in on the action too could this be a new accesible way to go prototype racing? Certainly its pushing manufacturers towards LMP2's as the teams and drivers develop. Could we see Adam Pecorari in a new Panoz LMP2 next year (probably not) but its the spring board to bigger things...
Peugeot 207 Spider will be a one make series that supports the LMS I believe.

The Radical World Cup race we saw at Donington may also support some/all the LMS rounds.

Can't see them running in mixed fields.
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Any rough guesses of how thick wallet one has to have to compete in one "Lite" championship?
depends on
1) car cost included or not
2) new car / old car
3) ambition
4) season cost
5) the championship you want to compete in

1) as all "lite" or "LMP3"-championships are pure privateer classes, costs are far less than in (X)LMS
however main cost factor would be the car if you aquire one
normally that car should be then able to be competetive for the next 5 years

2) old cars are available from about 20T€ upwards (as usual in Motorsport no uppper limit exists) but with less than 100T€*you will have all options and choices
for new cars I know they are in the range between 40 & 250T€
available manufacturers (please inform yourself on their websites) I know are f.e.:

large number producers:
* Radical
* Osella
* PRC
* Lucchini
* Norma
small number producers:
* CvO
* Breda
* Tampolli
* Martini
* Picchio
* URD
* Sharon
* Jade
* Debora
* Zeus
* Centenari
* Argo
* Bogani
single constructors:
* Pilbeam
* Stenger
* UWR
* Faust
* Serra
* Acid
* YCAR
* Corbari
and as you see this list is far from being complete...

3) ambition & talent: are you a wealthy privateer with a need for a new set of tires for each training session or an underfinanced talented hot shoe who can beat the opponents on worn or hardened sets? - the latter fact will help you definetly to save money.

4) However you should be able to afford 30-40k per season at least to save you from relying on "knock on wood" tactics. For title ambitions you should be able to at least double that sum.

5) is your targeted championship a single make one, a more historic one or a one with high technical level? Does it have endurance or sprint-format? - It may have an effect on cost if all kind of high sophisticated machinery are allowed (like LMP900 f.e.)

championships I know are:
- Sportscar Challenge (austrian based)
- championato italiano prototipi
- VdeV Endurance
- VdeV sprint moderne
- Britsports
- Swedish prototype series
- IMSA-Lite
- all kind of S2000-series
- all kind of Radical-series
- various hill-climb series

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Old 4 Oct 2006, 23:13 (Ref:1728142)   #13
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Beyond others I forgot Ligier (=Martini) and Lola as manufacturers in above list

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Good sir:
I you said it all with that.
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Erki, from what I have found / seen, it really can vary!

But, for what it is, it is in my opinion cheap.
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