IMSA Race 2015 Rolex 24 at Daytona

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

No seriously. It wasn't. It's absoultely, completely antiquated now and there's no reason to keep it, but confusion wasn't the exact reason.

We can keep going around in circles, but officials from the series itself said in 2013, after ALMS sold to NASCAR, when Level 5 punted the ESM car out of the way, that they wouldn't do anything about it because people at the race saw it finish one way and they weren't going to change it.

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by BullMan

We can keep going around in circles, but officials from the series itself said in 2013, after ALMS sold to NASCAR, when Level 5 punted the ESM car out of the way, that they wouldn't do anything about it because people at the race saw it finish one way and they weren't going to change it.

Yes we could but we can at leaat agree to keep it around these days is absolute garbage, in any series.

[nasportscar]

Here's a little post race data analysis from Ben Wedge http://nasportscar.com/numbers-stuff-daytona/

[Coach Ep]

Perrodo big enough to admit fault for his accident - a refreshing attitude! I like that.

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/tusc/pe...-are-enormous/

[Deleted]

It is, nice of him to apologize. But he still needs a ban/suspension like Tagliani at Glen and those idiots that messed up at Sebring, this was just as bad and should not be overlooked by some excuses. Looks like they're not gonna give it though

[gsmith2424]

WTR moved from 3rd to last due to drive time violation.

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/tusc/wa...ve-time-issue/

[Victor_RO]

Shock horror, as close as it gets to an actual DSQ from IMSA.

[BullMan]

HAHA! Excellent.

[Deleted]

Wow, this is actually close to being the least NASCAR sort of officialiting decision they've done since the 'merger' was announced. They can surprise us if they wanna, thumbs up.

[fieldodreams79]

Positive move for all ('cept WTR, of course). Glad to hear it.

[BullMan]

They got off easy. Section 12.7.3 says they are to receive no points at all. They're lucky the got last place points. In fact, this happened to Turner last year and they got zero.

EDIT: Turner didn't have minimum drive time for one of their silver/bronze guys and were stripped of points.

[fieldodreams79]

Good. We found a flaw! All is normal at IMSA.

[Coach Ep]

They 'earned' 1 point for starting the race according to the report, also weren't there points awarded after 6 and 12 hours as well? I can see the driving time error not affecting those standing as it seemed to occur late on in the race so maybe that's where the other 15 points are coming from?

If so, it would help if IMSA pointed it out. It only took them 5 days to figure the error out...

[Gulf]

We are yet to see a Tuscar Rolex24 without post race changes to position last year 3 hours late and this year 5 days lmao. I think they did the right thing but what took them so long? Does it really take 5 days to count in Daytona?

[J Jay]

Originally Posted by gsmith2424

WTR moved from 3rd to last due to drive time violation.

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/tusc/wa...ve-time-issue/

While I know this is a good thing (in as much as an effective disqualification can be viewed positively), all I care about is my beautiful, beautiful debut FRC entry which now lies in tatters...
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In all seriousness the demotion had to happen and even if it a bit (!) late forthcoming at least the issue has been dealt with.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by J Jay

While I know this is a good thing (in as much as an effective disqualification can be viewed positively), all I care about is my beautiful, beautiful debut FRC entry which now lies in tatters...
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In all seriousness the demotion had to happen and even if it a bit (!) late forthcoming at least the issue has been dealt with.

I know what you mean, now I am going to have to have another look at the points in FRC and recalculate.

Why did it take so long to get the decision made? I know everybody it tired after 24 hours, but surely they could have combed over the data Monday to resolve an issue as important as 3rd place?

[skycafe]

This is one very expensive mistake by that team.

[Lagunaseca_4life]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Wow, this is actually close to being the least NASCAR sort of officialiting decision they've done since the 'merger' was announced. They can surprise us if they wanna, thumbs up.

What I'm curious about is if this is a new thing(not only losing points,but also FINISHING position) or is this the penalty for drive time violation only and all other post race penalties will just lose points?

Other wise good call,but I agree why so late? But come on gulf give imsa some credit,at least they didn't initialy blow the officiating and then go back to creect their mistake last year.so far so good,come March sebring is going to be the real test.

[Danske]

I read that the rulebook penalty for the drivetime violation would have been the car being totally stricken from the results as if it had never existed. I imagine the delay was in determining what the penalty should be after that was determined to be too harsh (and which had never been brought to attention before by never having been applied before).

[J Jay]

Originally Posted by Danske

I imagine the delay was in determining what the penalty should be after that was determined to be too harsh (and which had never been brought to attention before by never having been applied before).

Something along these lines sounds the most likely. Either that and/or communication between IMSA and WTR to obtain more information to determine any extenuating factors which could affect the exact sanction given (seeing as this ruling apparently doesn't follow the rules to the letter).

[EricS]

Do they have to give up the 3rd place trophy? Or since the podium pictures were already taken, they get to keep it? I forgot if that was a TUSC rule or one from the GA/ALMS days

[Lagunaseca_4life]

Originally Posted by EricS

Do they have to give up the 3rd place trophy? Or since the podium pictures were already taken, they get to keep it? I forgot if that was a TUSC rule or one from the GA/ALMS days

From what is looking like right now,is that Ga,post sellout alms rule may still be in play.

But as others have to pointed to the specific rule for maximum drive time infraction,the penalty is loss of points and finishing position like if the car was never in th race.

Will this type of action be carried on and applied to any post race penalties? I sure hope so,but we don't know yet.

WTR though will lose their 3rd place finish,come last in class but not overall and be awarded 16 points instead of none.

I have a feeling this is the GA side of Imsa throwing a bone to one of their favorites instead of completely stripping them of all points and disqualifying them as if they never raced, because they feel bad for them racing 23.8 hours And throwing it away because of seventeen minutes........

[TF110]

A rule is a rule. Turner didnt get so lucky last year when they did this. But since WTR did it, they can still get 'some points'?

[Adam43]

Something, finally, to celebrate from this race.

[Danske]

The book rule does seem excessive to me. It's not like they sneakily deflated the other teams tires or anything.