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Old 8 Jun 2008, 20:53 (Ref:2223010)   #1
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10 place penalty for Hamilton and Rosberg

they served it, although Hamilton's mistake was bigger.
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 20:54 (Ref:2223012)   #2
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Hazard should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridHazard should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridHazard should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
already in the race thread

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Old 8 Jun 2008, 20:55 (Ref:2223015)   #3
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This lunacy from Ferrari's International Assistance has been posted in the race thread
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 20:56 (Ref:2223019)   #4
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I suppose the key to this is that it was in the pit lane and there is the safety aspect.

I don't think it needs one, but hey ho.
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 20:56 (Ref:2223020)   #5
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This lunacy from Ferrari's International Assistance has been posted in the race thread
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 20:56 (Ref:2223022)   #6
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alrite sorry, with the penalty though it became more of a Magny-Curs or general issue me reckoned
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 20:58 (Ref:2223029)   #7
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What is worse is that there is no link. A 10 place penalty for you alonso11 if ever you play the parc ferme F1 game.

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Old 8 Jun 2008, 20:59 (Ref:2223030)   #8
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I suppose the key to this is that it was in the pit lane and there is the safety aspect.

I don't think it needs one, but hey ho.

the key to this is that lights in the pitlane are just like flags on the race track, you ignore them, you get the penalty.
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 21:00 (Ref:2223034)   #9
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Everything must be penalised. Mistakes must be eradicated.

What happened to the days of looking at such incidents in an adult manner?

You can do anything: fines, points on licenses, loud shouting. No, let's have a random grid penalty again.
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 21:00 (Ref:2223036)   #10
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No, not really. Difficult to come to any other conclusion based on the various other incidents where drivers have hit other drivers and gone unpenalized. Can't think of any offhand, though, was there one at Monaco?
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 21:02 (Ref:2223038)   #11
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No, not really. Difficult to come to any other conclusion based on the various other incidents where drivers have hit other drivers and gone unpenalized. Can't think of any offhand, though, was there one at Monaco?
once again, its not for hitting someone, its for ignoring lights.
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 21:02 (Ref:2223039)   #12
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the key to this is that lights in the pitlane are just like flags on the race track, you ignore them, you get the penalty.
Yes, they are important and it was all wrapped up in what I meant.
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 21:03 (Ref:2223041)   #13
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No, not really. Difficult to come to any other conclusion based on the various other incidents where drivers have hit other drivers and gone unpenalized. Can't think of any offhand, though, was there one at Monaco?
The comparison between this incident and the Monaco one baffles me.

One's a driver losing control of his vehicle in treacherous conditions - the other is a driver paying no attention to the flags/lights/position of vehicles in front of him in a car he has total control of!
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 21:08 (Ref:2223051)   #14
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 21:09 (Ref:2223054)   #15
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I guess this one explains... http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...08224310.shtml
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Yes, they are different. Although both should be described as numpties for it!
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 21:09 (Ref:2223056)   #17
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once again, its not for hitting someone, its for ignoring lights.
I don't know. Normally ignoring lights leads to a black flag. I am surprised Nico wasn't black flagged in the race if it was for lights. In Lewis' case he was out of the race so he served the ultimate penalty. It is the inconsistency that is annoying. Nico should have been black flagged if indeed this penalty is imposed for ignoring the lights. He wasn't so i am assuming this is for hitting someone
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 21:13 (Ref:2223060)   #18
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How about a poll?

Article looks the same as on Autosport - doesn't fully state what the penalty is for (the collision, or ignoring the red - or a bit of both).
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 21:16 (Ref:2223064)   #19
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The argument about ignoring lights isn't that valid. It would only be ignoring the light if you crossed the line that you weren't supposed to cross.

The penalty has to be for causing a collision because they didn't ignore the light. They stopped before the light.
It doesn't tie in with other penalties for ignoring flags, lights or signalling errors.


There is also a responsibility of the organiser/FIA to ensure the light is easily seen. Barrichello complained last year it wasn't easy to see at another track and it is npot easy to see when you are following someone, especially if your attention is on the cars in front and what they are doing.

The other issue is not the fact they hit the car in front but the appropriateness of the penalty.
If you can take out a car on the circuit in a 'racing incident' and not recieve a penalty this is draconian in comparison.Not only did it stuff up their own race but they have then been stuffed for the next one....

The FIA judicial system is faulty, considerably so, and it needs consistency, appropriate consistently applied penalties, and a greater degree of transparency.
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Lewis fell asleep at the wheel and didn't see the red. A well deserved penalty in my view.
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I don't know. Normally ignoring lights leads to a black flag. I am surprised Nico wasn't black flagged in the race if it was for lights. In Lewis' case he was out of the race so he served the ultimate penalty. It is the inconsistency that is annoying. Nico should have been black flagged if indeed this penalty is imposed for ignoring the lights. He wasn't so i am assuming this is for hitting someone
it does make sense, however, if its for hitting someone Im not sure why Nico got it then... he slightly hit the rear tire of someone causing zero damage to others and a relatively minor one to his ownself.
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The argument about ignoring lights isn't that valid. It would only be ignoring the light if you crossed the line that you weren't supposed to cross..

it does make sense again, although 1.) Hamilton did cross the line and 2.) you can ignore a light not only by crossing the line but also by not braking in time (getting stoped by the cars you hit before you approach the line isnt really the best excuse)
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The argument about ignoring lights isn't that valid. It would only be ignoring the light if you crossed the line that you weren't supposed to cross.

The penalty has to be for causing a collision because they didn't ignore the light. They stopped before the light.
It doesn't tie in with other penalties for ignoring flags, lights or signalling errors.
I was just thinking that - they didn't actually ignore the light because they never left the pitlane...

I don't think there's a problem with the penalty itself - both Hamilton and Rosberg could have avoided that accident, and their teams could have helped them to do it by getting on the radio and telling them to stop at the end of the pitlane. The issue is how the FIA applies these penalties, because worse offences have gone unpunished in the past.
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Old 8 Jun 2008, 21:37 (Ref:2223096)   #24
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As in all these type of debates following an incident, you can tell who supports who by the often prejudiced/biased comments.

All I will say here is the FIA need to be consistent in their decisions.
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Come on guys .. Causing an a avoidable incident in the pit lane under safety car conditions is a biggy in my books. 10 place grid drop is a justified penalty.
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