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Oreca's and Ligier are fast (if they finally can make the cars last), but I think the Nissan will be the most competitive car behind the Cadillacs when it get more developed. The Riley chassis seems plain slow, worse if it have a Mazda engine on the back. Can't wait for the first race of the WEC to see what happens with the P2 cars. |
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I agree. I think the Nissan will be formidable when it's developed a little. The only concern there is one car has ed Brown and the other has Scott sharp, so both are hampered a little in driver quality. Though sharp isn't too bad.
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In IMSA endurance races, having an AM driver isn't really much of a disadvantage. As long as they can keep up the car on the lead lap for the final caution of the race, they'll have a shot at winning provided they strap their fastest PRO driver in for that final hour. Just look at ESM or MSR last year.
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20 Mar 2017, 16:22 (Ref:3720224) | #482 | |
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Having read more of the thread, and thought a little (as much as I can):
BoP was right for this race. The best cars crewed by the best teams came out on top. As for what endurance racing is supposed to be ... this was it. Some cars set up for the heat, and led all day (Ford.) Some cars set up for the cooler weather, and came back in the dark. Ford could have has its 1 -2-3 and its Big Three ... but forgot that leading all day doesn’t mean crap if you don’t lead the last lap. People who were not “excited” had best stick to sprint racing. Side-by-side sprints to the checker are Not the domain of endurance racing ... if the winner is in question into the last stint, That is a tense enduro. Endurance racing is about lasting, adapting, overcoming, and making sure you have the best car and crew in the final two hours. If you need an adrenaline rush, go sky-diving. This was a really good race from trackside. I will watch it on YouTube or whatever later, but i cannot imagine it will be much less. Not many cautions, no stupid calls, no idiotic driving (Thanks, PC) and good competition. I have been a Bleekemolen fan for years, and he really kicked butt at Sebring. The GT class offered a ton of good competition. I was glad to see ford not win, but more glad to see them beat on pace. Rebellion once again disappointed me massively. Why they cannot make their car run, I cannot fathom. JDC-Miller had no problems. Pr1-Mathieson had no problems. Rebellion had pace—and massive and varied issues. Rebellion has (IMO) the strongest driver line-up on the grid, and certainly Potentially the best car. Please get it together Rebellion. Likely we can expect a season of “Which Cadillac will win” but if they win by being better, I can deal with that. Someone said that the turbo motors could also make the torque. I am not sure, but it does seem to me that they could trades some top end speed for some low-end pulling power and it would benefit them. Maybe the turbo teams got too excited by top-speed numbers at Daytona, and forgot how odd a course that is. Mazda at least managed a top-five. I am not sure I can hope for much more than a few poles from Mazda this year. I don’t see a two-liter being competitive and reliable when matched against a motor three times that size. Anyway ... my health has still not recovered, so I will not prattle on any further here. Great race. an actual Sebring 12 Hours, IMO. Sorry for those who think otherwise. |
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Responding to: Originally Posted by canamman :
"10 hrs of rain got tedious but: You may have missed the closing stages of the 24 then. P- 1-2 nose to tail GTLM - 1,2,3 nose to tail GTD - 1,2,3 (and I think 4) nose to tail Quote:
This isn't drag racing. Even the micro-race (100 minutes) at Long Beach includes a pit stop. Except for drag racing and maybe Rallycross, racing is about process more than result. Too many modern fans (seemingly) can only appreciate the amount of action that can fit in a clip on Facebook. Racing is not that sort of sport. A close finish doesn't make a Bad race ... and it can sort of make up for a bad race for many fans ... But even a multi-lap win doesn't ruin a good race. People who need "nose-to-tail" finishes maybe should consider other sports. Plenty of sports don't depend upon adrenaline-inducing risk or close finishes to generate a lot of fans, investment, and profit---think Golf, for instance. If we constantly demand razor-thin margins of victory, before long we will be seeing one-lap, five-car shootouts ... and the "enduros" will be five laps, but no one will watch. If the only part of a twelve-hour race that matters to you, is the final 12 seconds ... might I suggest NASCACR (well, the races Seem like they are 12 hours long.) |
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Not that they were given the opportunity, but we should really thank imsa for allowing an endurance race to happen. No late caution that was questionable, no attempt to bunch the field up arbitrarily throughout the race. While NASCAR is incorporating segment finishes and cautions, they are allowing cars to take time to get going before throwing cautions, and allowed long green flag runs to let the race play out. Credit where it's due, excessive or unnecessary cautions haven't been an issue this year.
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The race was good, next up is long beach right?
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absolutely the most absurd post I have ever read. "Should consider other sports"? Well that's not gonna happen after going to races for 50 years. By the way, NASCACR? Oh , I get it , an under handed jab at NASCAR. Just another spelling error. Trying to assign a guilt trip for enjoying close finishes at the races I attend or watch? Laughable. BTW, I thought the Sebring race was ok. I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10. Hate to think of the guilt you lob on cycle stage racing. 6 hrs on a flat stage to all come down to inches at the finish. Fans who like that (like me) should be sooo ashamed. Oh but wait, you report on that sport, shame! |
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Time out everyone....
Methinks misunderstanding is afoot. (I'm glad I'm on the outside of this one for a change ) Nonetheless, I still say get rid of BoPing and all other shennanigans to "equalize" the competition and I'll continue to wai for another REAL finish like Le Mans '69. |
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I don't think it's hard to understand. I was saying dpi/prototype hasn't been good racing this year unless you are a Cadillac fan and don't mind that no one else has challenged. GTLM and GTD are not the point. The 'race' I was referring to was the prototype class. You don't have to agree with my opinion, even if you do feel the same about the head of the field.
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Set minimum/maximum dimensions, minimum weight, and maximum power with random dyno tests to make sure everyone is at power. Let everything else fall as it does.
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of the P2 fan. Cadi's have set the bar high and will probably continued to be tuned down by the sanction, but I will be dadgummed if I am going to sit here and have a poster tell me to "consider another sport". |
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And you said it. Shame teams don't have their cars sorted and things end up with cars a handful of laps down. Strange, I recall "racing" like this year's ago.... I look at the winning makes on the front stretch structure every time I go to Sebring. Porsche dominated the 80s, Nissan the early 90s and Audi in the 2000s. Must have been some bad racing, in your opinion. Not sure what would satisfy you but that's okay. I enjoyed the hell out of it. Edit: if close competition is all you desire, you loved Grand Am. Got that every race. I took it for what it was worth and found some enjoyment from it. Now I need to got watch the Gatornationals final round, but only Pro Stock, because that gives me a close race every time. Nitro is for the birds. Last edited by fieldodreams79; 21 Mar 2017 at 03:20. |
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My first year at Sebring in 2006 Audi finished 1st overall, the fields in a p2 finished 2nd overall and a gt1 corvette finished 3rd overall, all laps off each other. I thought there was some great racing that race. Guess I was wrong......
Oh how quickly things change. Last few years it was "these bogus late race cautions to manufacture a close finish are bs. Let them race!" Now they are, and it's "this isn't good racing. Where's the photo finish?" Lets make up our mind here..... |
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