Club F3 - Page 5

Jon Gray · 16 Feb 2006, 17:08 (Ref:1524444)

It might be a pain but it will be worth it. At the moment my engine has been rebuilt then I picked it up fitted it, made a wiring loom and now it has to go back to go on the dyno. Then I can fit it for the season. The only consolation is they are very easy to work on.

mrsweety · 1 Apr 2006, 09:18 (Ref:1566792)

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Originally Posted by ian_w

I think you are in dream land about the lap times.

At Donington last year, ARP pole was 1:07.8, Mono 2000 was 1:11.8 which would have been 10th out of 14 on the ARP grid! Race fastest laps were again about 4 seconds slower ( low 1:08s to low 1:12s )

Any of you guys considered Gear Box Karts? 250 twins will lap faster than both Mono and ARP! + £3500 engine re-build would buy a kart! 170+ mph!?

A

Bob Pearson · 3 Apr 2006, 13:07 (Ref:1569010)

What is the lap record for a gearbox kart at Donnington? I would be interested to know. We used to have one, so we are quite interested in them. We watched them at Croft a couple of years ago, or was it last year? I didn't see any times for them, but they didn't appear particularily quick. (could be an illusion) Their biggest problem seems no different to when we were in it, keeping the damn things going!!

mrsweety · 3 Apr 2006, 15:48 (Ref:1569163)

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Originally Posted by Bob Pearson

What is the lap record for a gearbox kart at Donnington? I would be interested to know. We used to have one, so we are quite interested in them. We watched them at Croft a couple of years ago, or was it last year? I didn't see any times for them, but they didn't appear particularily quick. (could be an illusion) Their biggest problem seems no different to when we were in it, keeping the damn things going!!

Yer I hear they can be fun to keep going!! maybe down to poor prep work!?

Lap record is 1.07 on the national circuit! seems good to me.

What are the lap records for say F1/F3 or Mono car's etc? can't find much info

The Mono website could do with a makeover!

Cheers

A

Bob Pearson · 4 Apr 2006, 08:07 (Ref:1569842)

That's all a bit mysterious Ms Weety, we do BARC Renault which compares lap times with Mono and falls slightly short of Club F3. The quickest lap by our cars last year at Donnington was 71.3 secs, short of your 67 secs by a bus ride. However, when we were at Croft the quickest lap time by a gearbox kart was 88 secs compared with BARC Renaults quickest lap of 82 secs. Are you sure your 67 secs is correct? Unless of course, there is some super class we don't know of.

Ian Sowman · 4 Apr 2006, 08:21 (Ref:1569853)

I suppose it depends whether it is the 250s or 125s for a start...

mrsweety · 4 Apr 2006, 08:24 (Ref:1569857)

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Originally Posted by Bob Pearson

That's all a bit mysterious Ms Weety, we do BARC Renault which compares lap times with Mono and falls slightly short of Club F3. The quickest lap by our cars last year at Donnington was 71.3 secs, short of your 67 secs by a bus ride. However, when we were at Croft the quickest lap time by a gearbox kart was 88 secs compared with BARC Renaults quickest lap of 82 secs. Are you sure your 67 secs is correct? Unless of course, there is some super class we don't know of.

Yes these are all correct times! Croft is set @81.5 sec's!!

Here check this link from the SuperKart site

http://www.superkart.org.uk/DOWNLOADS.htm

Lap records are bottom left - pdf

And this is Div 1 - they use 100+ bhp engines in a 130 odd kgs Kart!

Seems fast to me also!!

A

THR · 7 Apr 2006, 21:53 (Ref:1573474)

johnmiller... rest asured, if you dont take advnatage of the change in air intake, you wil be the only one that aint!! (in your class)

can i just say about standards in cars.. personally i wouldnt race a car i didnt know was 100% ok, fair enough you would drive a road car with a slightly iffy bearing, or 80k and the cam belt aint changed, or the oil was 30k old, or the tyres are abit iffy.. esp in the wet!!!

but drive a race car at 100% and well how can you prove yourself if it aint all 100% new? and lovely and perfect? and all going to work well............... and more importantly in your head its going to work. REALLY well.. no bits are going to fail!!!
at 100mph, if ya cam belt fails youll stop dead quick, and they guy behind u wont!
or on the grid when your starter fails, or the engine stops cos its hot, the guy 20 ft behind WILL hit u

Prep is VERY important, if u dont look after your car then you takin a BIG risk.

it aint expensive to keep a clean car, and look after it, and know wot is going wrong.

it aint hard to fool a srutineer is it, not that i done it, but they will never look REALLY hard at the bits u know might fail.
after all, racing cars are special purpose machines, and i make special purpose machines (for ind.) and they never work first tiem, and forever!!

JohnMiller · 7 Apr 2006, 22:13 (Ref:1573499)

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Originally Posted by THR

johnmiller... rest asured, if you dont take advnatage of the change in air intake, you wil be the only one that aint!! (in your class)

I've got a 26mm restrictor. Just got to get off my arse and get the engine remapped for it.

Neil1982 · 8 Apr 2006, 07:50 (Ref:1573643)

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Originally Posted by Bob Pearson

That's all a bit mysterious Ms Weety, we do BARC Renault which compares lap times with Mono and falls slightly short of Club F3. The quickest lap by our cars last year at Donnington was 71.3 secs, short of your 67 secs by a bus ride. However, when we were at Croft the quickest lap time by a gearbox kart was 88 secs compared with BARC Renaults quickest lap of 82 secs. Are you sure your 67 secs is correct? Unless of course, there is some super class we don't know of.

Bob

Just to confirm your comparison is correct. Last year's best pole time for Mono 2000 at Donington was 71.827 and for Croft 81.75. The lap records are 71.880 and 82.55 respectively.

Neil.

mrsweety · 8 Apr 2006, 07:57 (Ref:1573647)

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Originally Posted by Neil1982

Bob

Just to confirm your comparison is correct. Last year's best pole time for Mono 2000 at Donington was 71.827 and for Croft 81.75. The lap records are 71.880 and 82.55 respectively.

Neil.

So 1.07 is fast for a kart then!!! interesting.

A

Bob Pearson · 10 Apr 2006, 09:14 (Ref:1575321)

I suspect you are not comparing like with like here. Certainly the lap times I have witnessed for 250 g/box karts do not come anywhere near club single seaters. Maybe this is rather like trying to compare world superbike lap times with club superbike times. How else can the 88 seconds at Croft be explained.
Mono is after all, club racing and should be compared with club 250 g/box karts ( assuming the comparison is in anyway relevant)

Ian Sowman · 10 Apr 2006, 09:39 (Ref:1575352)

Mallory last August, pole position laps:

Karts (250) - 46.049s
Karts (125) - 48.803s
Mono 2000 - 44.585s
Mono 1200 - 44.891s

JohnMiller · 16 Apr 2006, 17:45 (Ref:1585183)

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Originally Posted by Ian Sowman

Mallory last August, pole position laps:

Karts (250) - 46.049s
Karts (125) - 48.803s
Mono 2000 - 44.585s
Mono 1200 - 44.891s

ARP F3 2005 pole was 42.7.

Club F3 should be quicker.

JohnMiller · 16 Apr 2006, 17:47 (Ref:1585188)

Back on topic, anybody see the inaugural Club F3 event at Silverstone yesterday (for those of us at Oulton)?

MarkG · 16 Apr 2006, 18:54 (Ref:1585265)

hi John, I did. A fairly good race, some more cars would be nice. I was watching at the entry to Copse. I don't know the drivers but Gary Marsh looked useful. Massive difference in committment between front-runners and tail enders.

THR · 16 Apr 2006, 21:17 (Ref:1585356)

i was there!!!
was a good race, pretty close at the front, fair bit of over taking and spinners and all sorts!

the organisation was BRILLIANT, about a millions times better than ARP F3 ever was. Promise of regular 20 car grids is on the cards too...

it really should be quite a good season really... its put some spark back into it!
the race was really good to watch..

even tho we was running 7th and spun out grrrr @ racing drivers

brands · 16 Apr 2006, 21:35 (Ref:1585367)

I watched the first few laps from the inside of Becketts and wasn't that impressed tbh. I saw the AFP series a couple of times last year and that was better.

Still with more entries it will hopefully improve as the season goes on.

mrsweety · 17 Apr 2006, 07:37 (Ref:1585563)

Did many people turn up to watch this event?

Thanks

A

Jon Gray · 18 Apr 2006, 07:48 (Ref:1587383)

I was there and in the race even with a spin I finished second, the racing at the front was hard but fair after the race there was plenty of people making positive comments and that can only be good for the championship we also know there are at least another five cars to join so I think grids of twenty plus are possible.

reynard55 · 24 Apr 2006, 19:39 (Ref:1594034)

I see in last weeks Autosport that Peter won the Masters class in his Dallara 392, I thought that the masters class was for 91 and earlier cars?

Jon Gray · 25 Apr 2006, 07:30 (Ref:1594336)

Peter's Dallara is a 391 and is a masters class car. I know there is a slight change regarding the regulations but this only affected class B and the 96 Dallara.

driftwood · 27 Apr 2006, 18:51 (Ref:1596455)

with refernce to " How many people" where watching
club racing gets very few spectators and no wonder when a ticket costs £10 or more Its ridiculas to gauge a race meeting by the number of bobble hats in the stands!!

IF the track owners had free entry the stands would swarm
I remember the Brands hatch Sun free days
if you didnt take the race car down pit aassembl;y area 2 races prior to your race you missed as the people in the paddock where swarming around!!!!

reynard55 · 18 May 2006, 11:07 (Ref:1613350)

I have just seen that the Club F3 at Combe has been cancelled, having made some enquiries this was due to lack of entries.
I would have expected Combe to be a popular venue, why do the Club F3 guys not want to go there?

Suze · 18 May 2006, 11:35 (Ref:1613377)

I heard it was over money...believe they only had three entrants.

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