2018 Season Launch and Testing Thread - Page 8

Moneyseeker · 22 Feb 2018, 17:34 (Ref:3803222)

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Originally Posted by djinvicta

Cheers E.B.. After the crap!....It starts about 4.30 minutes in.

Looked like a bring your own torch event, I could barely make it out in the gloom!

Mike Bell · 22 Feb 2018, 18:11 (Ref:3803231)

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Originally Posted by Moneyseeker

Looked like a bring your own torch event, I could barely make it out in the gloom!

Presume that was in the Silverstone Wing garages. Hope they put some heaters in for the assembled throng! (Or was the applause dubbed.....?)

Richard C · 22 Feb 2018, 18:14 (Ref:3803234)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

imo legitimate for them to claim the 2009 Brawn-Merc title winner as their own.

So IMHO, they shouldn't count the Brawn win as their own as they have had enough success as the 2010+ team without having to pad it by also claiming the 2009 Brawn championship.

Yes, Brawn used Mercedes power (but so have McLaren who won championships with Mercedes power). And yes they bought Brawn a handful of days after the 2009 championship season ended. But if they are going by team ownership transfer, then why not include all history of that team (Tyrrell -> BAR -> Honda -> Brawn -> Mercedes) and include something like Tyrrell's 1971 championship?

I think stuff like this shouldn't care over when there is a substantial change in ownership AND name.

Richard

chillibowl · 22 Feb 2018, 20:34 (Ref:3803250)

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Originally Posted by Richard Casto

So IMHO, they shouldn't count the Brawn win as their own as they have had enough success as the 2010+ team without having to pad it by also claiming the 2009 Brawn championship.

yeah fair point...it not like this is a team in desperate need for accolades to mention so i can see that its a bit unnecessary.

but why not track a team's linage, successes and failures, through the factory they operate out of?

for sure things get complicated when different manus have ran the same facility over the years but in this case close enough time frame, same engine, staff carry over that the connection works to for me.

also feel better that Merc claims 2009 as their own rather then Honda!

**bella** · 22 Feb 2018, 20:46 (Ref:3803253)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

but why not track a team's linage, successes and failures, through the factory they operate out of?

for sure things get complicated when different manus have ran the same facility over the years but in this case close enough time frame, same engine, staff carry over that the connection works to for me.

also feel better that Merc claims 2009 as their own rather then Honda!

yeah, agree.

see: "enstone"/benetton/renault/lotus/renault - there's always a core group of people who have been at a team through multiple identity changes. mercedes has grown a lot but there's still quite a lot of them who date back to brawn.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 22 Feb 2018, 20:47 (Ref:3803254)

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Ferrari is very nice. Interesting evolution of their design ahead of the sidepods. The little lip on the halo is cool, and so are the aero details on the mirrors. If I am not mistaken they have managed to sneak in a curved T wing down low attached to the fin in the back.

The wheelbase is very clearly longer, and it is tiiiiiiight in the back!

What little lip on the Halo, I thought the Halo was standard throughout the teams?

Richard C · 22 Feb 2018, 21:31 (Ref:3803263)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

but why not track a team's linage, successes and failures, through the factory they operate out of?

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Originally Posted by bella

see: "enstone"/benetton/renault/lotus/renault - there's always a core group of people who have been at a team through multiple identity changes. mercedes has grown a lot but there's still quite a lot of them who date back to brawn.

I agree with both of you. Unfortunately there is no easy/official way to celebrate those teams that have had many names and owners, but still have a significant level of continuity from a location and staff perspective.

I like that there is an identity of something like "The Enstone Team", but I am also able to celebrate something like "The Benetton era" as a stand alone thing and not confusing that with later iterations of the same team. Same goes with the short lived Brawn GP. The group that made up Brawn GP made that magical championship happen before they were "Mercedes". Hence me defending who "owns" that championship even if today many of the players are the same.

Cheers!

Richard

Richard C · 22 Feb 2018, 21:32 (Ref:3803264)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

What little lip on the Halo, I thought the Halo was standard throughout the teams?

I believe base Halo is standard, but I think teams were allowed to create some limited level of bespoke aero treatments which are mounted on the Halo.

Richard

Inigo Montoya · 22 Feb 2018, 21:35 (Ref:3803265)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

What little lip on the Halo, I thought the Halo was standard throughout the teams?

Nope - they can play with the aero on the halo.

But by far the coolest thing are the little wings inside the mirrors, which appear to direct airflow down into a duct in the sidepod below it. I expect both the aero on the halo (also on the Alfa) and the mirrors will be copied by everyone. The long curved t wing is pretty cool too.

The mirrors and halo can be seen in photo 7 at
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...os-680398.html

**bjohnsonsmith** · 22 Feb 2018, 21:38 (Ref:3803266)

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Originally Posted by Richard Casto

I believe base Halo is standard, but I think teams were allowed to create some limited level of bespoke aero treatments which are mounted on the Halo.

Richard

No wonder Ferrari were so keen to rubbish the Screen after one lap.

Richard C · 22 Feb 2018, 21:45 (Ref:3803270)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

No wonder Ferrari were so keen to rubbish the Screen after one lap.

One of my earlier speculations on why Ferrari didn't like the windscreen concept was that they may have felt they already had something (aerowise) in the works via the Halo.

Richard

**bjohnsonsmith** · 22 Feb 2018, 22:09 (Ref:3803276)

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Originally Posted by Richard Casto

One of my earlier speculations on why Ferrari didn't like the windscreen concept was that they may have felt they already had something (aerowise) in the works via the Halo.

Richard

At the time I thought it might have something to do with that and still do.

chillibowl · 22 Feb 2018, 22:43 (Ref:3803280)

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Originally Posted by Richard Casto

I agree with both of you. Unfortunately there is no easy/official way to celebrate those teams that have had many names and owners, but still have a significant level of continuity from a location and staff perspective.

true no easy way to do it.

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

dont want to derail the launch thread so final thought on this subject...

looking again at the picture there is a dayglow yellow stripe after the 2009 year which is a nice bit of detail and a shout out to the Brawn year i assume.

so maybe a liberty they should not have taken but done with enough class that i dont mind them claiming 2009 as their own!

**Adam43** · 22 Feb 2018, 22:52 (Ref:3803281)

They didn’t bother claiming all those BAR and Honda titles.

HDTVKSS · 23 Feb 2018, 02:03 (Ref:3803291)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

They didn’t bother claiming all those BAR and Honda titles.

Because JV claimed them first....

F1Guy · 23 Feb 2018, 07:03 (Ref:3803319)

The McLaren MCL33

Moneyseeker · 23 Feb 2018, 07:51 (Ref:3803330)

The McLaren looks the best car so far in my amateur opinion. Like the sidepod intakes, they seem to have left this area uncluttered compared to some of the others.

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F1Guy · 23 Feb 2018, 07:58 (Ref:3803331)

Zak Brown should contact AG Barr regarding sponsorship!

karting · 23 Feb 2018, 08:01 (Ref:3803332)

Wow. I thought the HAAS livery was bad... 🤮

Mike Bell · 23 Feb 2018, 08:22 (Ref:3803333)

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Originally Posted by karting

Wow. I thought the HAAS livery was bad... 🤮

In your opinion......

Orange with blue works for me!

E.B · 23 Feb 2018, 08:45 (Ref:3803338)

Works for me. Alarming lack of stickers on the car.....

I thought Zak was supposedly the (self proclaimed?) latterday Guy Edwards. Sell a fridge to an eskimo and all that.

peebee2 · 23 Feb 2018, 08:46 (Ref:3803339)

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Originally Posted by Moneyseeker

The McLaren looks the best car so far in my amateur opinion. Like the sidepod intakes, they seem to have left this area uncluttered compared to some of the others.

Not cluttered by sponsors either.

JeremySmith · 23 Feb 2018, 09:02 (Ref:3803348)

I love the livery blue and orange work really well together ...

steve nielsen · 23 Feb 2018, 09:36 (Ref:3803358)

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Originally Posted by E.B

Works for me. Alarming lack of stickers on the car.....

I thought Zak was supposedly the (self proclaimed?) latterday Guy Edwards. Sell a fridge to an eskimo and all that.

and don't forget Honda used to pay them 100 million $, now they have to PAY 30 million for their engines

F1Guy · 23 Feb 2018, 09:40 (Ref:3803359)

The MCL33 on track...

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