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Wasn't there recently a quote form Onroak about the possibility of a new DPi? EDIT---Right, post 2795 above.
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24 Jul 2017, 20:30 (Ref:3754075) | #2804 | |
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Still practicing writing. A journalist I most certainly am not.
Visit Florida Racing plans? Photo: IMSA Visit Florida Racing boss Troy Flis has made no secret about the fact that he isn’t happy with the current Riley Mk30 LMP2 chassis. VFR originally attempted to secure a Mazda RT24-P DPi but after the deal fell through they were left with the standard Riley Gibson package. The season started well with a strong podium finish at Daytona, but it has all been downhill from their. The car was withdrawn from Long Beach after accident damage sustained in practice couldn’t be repaired, and the team hasn’t recovered since then. Not surprisingly, the team has already started making plans for next season. NASportsCar reports that the team is scheduled to shakedown a “new car” on August 1st, with no other details. What options do VFR have? A Cadillac DPi-V.R is not out of the question. GM will be looking to strengthen their grip on the IMSA field as Joest and Penske enter next year. If they have any spare chassis ready, VFR would be a good 4th GM team. If not a Cadillac just yet, then it could be a Dallara P217 LMP2 chassis, in preparation for a Cadillac in 2018. If they are not moving to a DPi, there is also a possibility they could be testing an Oreca or Ligier chassis. The French chassis have proved far superior to the Riley, so could provide a significant boost up the grid. Onroak have hinted at being involved with another manufacturer, and IMSA have repeatedly thrown in comments about another unnamed manufacturer. Are VFR involved with someone new?* What is not likely, are Mazda and Acura DPi cars. The Mazda is due to undergo significant development in the hands of Multimatic and Joest, whilst the Acura will be in the safe hands of Roger Penske and his team. If the team are already scheduling a shakedown of the car, then they must have plans to run it soon. Whatever they have will most likely run the rest of the IMSA season. The next event is Road America, August 6th. Will the new car be ready by then? Watch for the entry lists to be published. TAGS DPi Featured Riley Speculation VFR Report by Dave Ellis / theRacingLine.net |
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pardon my excessive nit-pickery. Remember ... you invited it.
“GM will be looking to strengthen their grip” I’d say “GM will be looking to strengthen its grip .... ” GM is singular, it is one company. “as Joest and Penske enter next year. If they have any spare chassis ready, VFR would be a good 4th GM team.” Here is why----“they” means GM ... but the direct antecedent would be “Joest and Penske.” So grammatically it is incorrect (nit-picky little BS, please pardon me.) Your subject jumps from “GM” to “Joest and Penske” and back to “GM” in two sentences which might be confusing to some. Better might be, “What options does VFR have? A Cadillac DPi-V.R is not out of the question. GM will be looking to strengthen its grip on the IMSA field as Joest and Penske enter next year. If GM has any spare chassis ready, VFR would be a good 4th GM team.” Then here ... “If they are not moving to a DPi, there is also a possibility they could be testing an Oreca or Ligier chassis.” “They" is kind of vague, considering how many “they"s there have been ... and in the paragraph before, you use “it” ... I understand, “it” means “the car VFR chooses” but you don’t want to leave too many indefinite pronouns ((?) Is that a thing?) floating around. I’d start with ““If VFR is not moving to a DPi, there is also a possibility the team could be testing an Oreca or Ligier chassis.” There is a lot of leeway with grammar ... some copy-editors get all panicky about “A team is a unit—it is never ‘they’” while some are cool with the imprecision of spoken English. But it is always good to have number agree—whether you decide GM and Onraok are “it” or “they,” stay consistent, and keep all the pronouns the same—and make sure every time you use “they” people know immediately what you are talking about. Another nit-pick: “What is not likely, are Mazda and Acura DPi cars.” “What is not likely is either a Mazda or Acura DPi car.” Or if you insist, “What are not likely, are Mazda or Acura DPi cars.” What I’d say, (if I were creative enough to come up with it in the first place) might be “What is not likely is either a Mazda or an Acura Dpi.” |
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http://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/vi...-lmp2-chassis/
Ligier? Interesting. Of course, the selection of Riley-Multimatic or Multimatic-Riley, was thought to be due to a potential DPi program (AMG). Chris |
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24 Jul 2017, 21:06 (Ref:3754092) | #2807 | |
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I keep hearing about a new factory manufacturers okay.
But which team can do it, one that has the talent and resources. Chip Ganassi is too busy with Ford right now. Rebellion? Andretti? Anybody else? |
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I think that Riley is dead in the water, unless Joest stay with them and Multimatic/Mazda don't totally jump ship.
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I don't foresee too much of a problem with that... Highcroft have shown that even teams that weren't what most people would consider a powerhouse before the factory deal can deliver great things once given the necessary resources. Just from the IMSA paddock, Shank and Starworks would be good candidates... and if you look beyond that into PWC and Indycar, there's probably half a dozen of teams that could run a competent DPi operation, if maybe not quite on the level of Penske or Joest.
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Riley is dead, now its just Multimatic P2
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I wouldn't exactly put it past Multimatic/Joest to switch the Mazda program to another chassis if they can, either. Depends on what tricks they have up their sleeves I guess.
Also, Troy Flis wasn't immediately available for comment it seems, but VFR should put out a press piece or announcement sometime tomorrow. |
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There's nothing stopping Mazda from going to Oreca, for example. I think they'll stick it out with Multimatic and with input from Joest, basically make an entirely new car or aero package. I hope Maelochs doesn't critique my grammar btw
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When the homologation and first BoP process was taking was running before november tests at Daytona, from IMSA they said that a DPi car could change of brand, the bodywork could be modified, and the engine could be replaced ONCE A YEAR. The car should only have to pass by the homologation process and BoP test again.
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I am pretty sure every single major sports rule book (and every rule book written in imitation) has a clause in there somewhere about "Interpretation of the specific meanings of each rule and the specific application to specific situations is under control of the governing body," or some such similar clause which basically means, "we wrote the darn rule book, and whenever we want, we will rewrite it." "Force Majeur," or whatever they choose to call it ... "in response to unforeseeable circumstances and uncontrollable situations we were forced to invoke Rule 0000 which is printed in .25-point type between two lines on the last page, which states that the rule book is only a suggestion." |
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Guess I'm not saying nothing new, but even if 2018 mazda dpi will be built on a better chassis like oreca, with an improved aero package too; don't think there will be huge benefits if also joest will stick with that poor engine.
To me, that's the biggest issue of that car |
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Joest will be able to get AER to make that engine last.
They won't accept it not. |
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Actually, don't know if joest is an engine tuner too, but unlikely they could throw off >600Nm from that engine only because they wish reliability issues is AER trademark, not to mention. anyway, I still can't figure out one thing: mazda struggles with AER tuned 2.0 L4 engines for almost 10 years, since lola dayson lmp2 early days if am not wrong, why have never they tried to knock cosworth door? oreca too is a small engine tuner if memory helps |
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I believe Mazda has a 2.5-liter twincam inline 4 in its Mazda6, so it could commission AER to do something based on a bigger block and still get some promotional crossover ... they could badge it “Mazda” and still fool some people.
I am not sure how quickly they could do it ... after all, AER has been trying to get the 2-liter to work for about a decade. |
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25 Jul 2017, 17:09 (Ref:3754300) | #2822 | |
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Repeat, to me the quickest solution is to rebadge gibson engine.
90% of average joe isn't intersted about tech. data and simply don't care if mazda dpi isn't powered by a mazda proper motor. After all how many races and championship has audi won in last 15 DTM seasons using a audi badged honda unit? |
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It's not a matter of fans, MAZDA likes the MZR-R. Most of us here know it's nothing like the I4 in the street cars so using that argument to say they should go to the V8 cause who cares is a non-starter. The bosses seem to care and they write the checks. They beat the diesel horse until it became apparent they weren't going to make the street car. If they were still doing the Mazda 6 Diesel, they would have lobbied IMSA to keep a diesel allowance and kept running. |
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25 Jul 2017, 18:45 (Ref:3754346) | #2824 | |
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The ACO isn't allowing rebranding of the Gibson engine. I'm not to sure they'd like that happening in IMSA either. That's beginning to blur the lines between DPi and LMP2, and the ACO is wanting the LMP2s to stay stock.
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I always found it amusing that no matter what Dyson ran, they managed to make it fail. Lola and Porsche could run trouble free at Le Mans, but not manage 2 hours in a Dyson. It was very odd. |
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