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Old 20 Jul 2017, 13:35 (Ref:3753099)   #16
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Also, doesn't organizations like the ACO and FIA have GPS so they can track and see who could be exceeding track limits where they're trying to enforce them?
I don't think GPS or even a localised transponder based positioning system are accurate enough to be used unless the car is several metres off, in which would be obvious to an observer..

It would need something a "hawkeye" type system thats used in Tennis, where the area is mapped out pre-event with the defined track limits, and then monitors movement within that area. Expensive enough within an arena or stadium type setting but whether it would even be feasible to cover a racing circuit.

Getting back on subject, it think you are doing a dis-service to the word barrier, when talking about that Mexican track. It appears to have just been a collection of tyres with nothing behind them to being pushed back creating a ramp situation.
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Old 21 Jul 2017, 13:58 (Ref:3753340)   #17
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Seeing the NASCAR Mexico wrecks, I don't know how those barriers would pass as barriers for most local short track owners, let alone NASCAR, or organizations like the ACO, FIA, IMSA and others.

I'd like to know if that individual circuit had/has a FIA grade, and if so, what is/was it? I know that the main track is a road course, but even an improvised oval should still have some standards.

Also, the Villa Real WTCC deal probably doesn't look good for the FIA, considering that the WTCC is a FIA sanctioned series and the FIA also signed off on the track. I know that the FIA probably didn't think that a wreck could happen there, but ask Jeff Gordon about hitting areas of tracks that had no Safer Barriers because a bad accident was seen as unlikely to happen. He sure did hit enough walls in those areas. Also when Allan Simonsen died at LM in '13, the ACO probably though that an accident like that couldn't happen at Tetre Rouge, but it did.
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Old 21 Jul 2017, 15:20 (Ref:3753355)   #18
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I know that the FIA probably didn't think that a wreck could happen there
If I'm not mistakes, they claimed that the Vila Real design papers had barriers there, but they weren't put.

So the approved design had the barriers, but they didn't put them, and the inspection passed. Still a terrible job by FIA.
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Yeah, it looks like the flag stations just before the incident were not showing red while the track was red flagged. I'm guessing they have radios on the cars so for me pretending to rely exclusively on flagging is a lazy excuse. But she was on it and shifting hard prior to the incident so let's not pretend everyone was completely innocent.

And she was fined not for the incident but for the unauthorized posting of the video as per the series rules. And she WAY over-stated the fine (5k not 20k euro), hopefully not to generate views but I can't help but think so.
iirc no radios in f4, they're in formula renault and fia f3 but not f4.

she's handled the whole thing terribly, kinda reminds you that these are just kids and they don't understand their actions and the consequences. she posted the footage with the intention of misleading people, then either failed to understand the fine she was given (wtf) or posted it with the intention of winding people up. i don't think it was to increase views, just to try and keep people on her side.

honestly, drivers not doing what they're told is the biggest danger to themselves, not the circuits.
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Wanna know how to fix that? Throw out fines and penalties, and make drivers financially responsible for any damage they or their actions cause. You threaten to touch their money, they'll listen. Forcing them to pay to fix race cars will probably cost more money than any fines would.

Just like with rules violations in NASCAR, if you yank wins and prize money, they'll listen.
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Speaking of unsafe race tracks, I remembered Ahvenisto in Finland. It looks like a circuit straight out of the 1960s, with a guardrail being the only protection in most parts of the circuit, and some corners lacking barriers altogether, with earth banking lining the tracks, some of them covered in trees. And this track hosts F4 races.
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And people will still complain that Grade 1 and 2 tracks are unsafe. What's the FIA's recommendations for F4 track grading?
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