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Surely the privateer LMP1 teams don't really need to spend out on converting to production based engines, its more that the ACO need to tweak the rules for racing engines to allow them to compete a bit better. Would increasing the air restrictors allow them to run faster?
If the Lola Aston is that quick from scratch then it's difficult to say if its the car or the engine or the drivers. Since no one else is running the chassis with, say, a Judd engine then we don't know which factor is making the difference, or if it's a combination of all three! But it certainly seemed to be the fastest petrol powered LMP1, the race also showed that the gap between diesel and petrol powered cars is as big if not bigger than before, surely both Audi and Peugeot will now start a development war! |
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as for packaging a 60 degree V12 into an open-top LMP1 take a look at this....... http://www.mulsannescorner.com/bmwengine.html I seem to remember the BMW's went very well in their day.......it can be done even better now days, as the twin roll hoop nature of todays LMP1 rules gives more of a frontal packaging envelope for the engine........the BMW was a single roll hoop car |
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Agreed , but still it is impressive , cuz as far as I am aware , the project got a late green light . The whole AMR/Prodrive/Charouz project is working very well indeed .
Makes you wonder what a Lola Maseratti might do ..... hopefully one for the future . Also makes you wonder , when you look at their lap times , how could they be 3 laps back at the finish ? Did they get caught out with one of those magically appearing pace cars ? |
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I would suggest that part of the problem the privateers have is not very good chassis.......
A) consider that the new Lola(s) were the class of their respective fields (excepting the RS) B) while the Oreca car is better than before it is still using a tub that Acura were not terribly impressed with by all accounts and had to be massively changed (Also aero work still underway) C) Pescarolo chassis that is limited by money and a distinct lack of aero testing Also a Judd with all due respect to them will not be as good an engine as Prodrive can produce (years ago yes - not now IMO) - comes down to budget |
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1000 production based engines? Well how many LS7s in the C6Z06 have been produced? Over 10,000 IIRC |
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How about a Corvette's LS7.R in the back of an LMP?? Now that would be awesome!
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The C6.R lump in the back of a proto would be closest to the diesels in torque I'd guess but how low would the revs be and what kind of hp loss would there be sleeving or destroking it? Would be great to see Panoz build a coupe LMP1 car with PM running a LS7, or renamed LS6.R lump in it. American tub/engine vs British tub/engine and maybe a Maserati/Dallara for the Italian side, Acura tub and engine (ok, so mostly american but will a Dome/Mugen materialize?) and Porsche tub/motor in LMP1. Pipe dream but a good world championship lineup there to be added to Pug and Audi (ok, they dont make there own tub/chassis but I was trying)
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The R10 looks like a (very quick) lumbering wildebeest compared to the 908, likewise the Lola Coupe looked to have a lower Cg and more ground hugging than the open cars. That being said if I was a privateer team, I'd be contacting the likes of Aston Martin, Maserati, Ferrari and GM for a GT1 spec engine, not least because they can run flat out for a full race distance. I'll be amazed if we don't see a Vitaphone LMP1 with a Maserati engine within 12 months, especially considering the uncertaintly in FIA GT1. Last edited by JAG; 7 Apr 2008 at 16:09. |
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Yes, maybe a small restrictor adjustment for the P-1 cars (amount varied open vs. coupe) might be in order until a "works" team comes along and, or if, disproves the need for it to be competitive. In P-2, wow! Quifel with a 1:38:172 showed that it is possible for the "others" in the class to be close in pace with the Spyder and B08/80. Now the question becomes, can they? Will be an interesting year. My question here is; does the LMS have the will (huevos) to adjust the rules to rectify these things or if it even has enough autonomy to do so? L.P. |
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DSC say that Martin Birrane has been hinting at a Diesel Lola project
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Vitaphone Lola Maserati...
Intriguing thought. Though Dallara would probably sort a bespoke chassis if asked! I really do think that diesels are still ahead of everything else in the sheer grunt department, but surely ballast and restrictor tweaking should level the field more? Not far to go, if Barcelona was any guide, TBH. |
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Later in the season I'd say lookout for the ORECA, it looked very good, with little running. I reckon a 3% bigger restrictor for the petrol cars, or similar cut in the diesel restrictor, will see the leading petrol cars bang on the pace of the diesels. |
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The quickest a petrol car went during the race last year was 3.33, the diesels were in the 3.26's. The diesel manufactuers will ensure they're not hit hard, due to lobbying and disguising their cars true performance level, so maybe a 5% restrictor cut and 25kg ballast, in addition to a smaller rear wing. We've seen how development of the LMP2 cars has overcome a 5% restrictor cut and 25kg ballast in the ALMS, 50kg in the LMS! Last edited by JAG; 7 Apr 2008 at 21:56. |
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